Bill,
   
  You are talking about the essence of zen. But don't wash your mouth. In 
modern world, you cannot just talk about talking nothing.
   
  To eliminate self or to understand what things are help eliminate suffering.
   
  Thank you anyway.
   
  Regards,
  Anthony

Bill Smart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
              Anthony Wu wrote:
        Yes, the Satan you worship is your self. The better way is to have 
others worship you. Either case, you cannot get rid of suffering, which is the 
objective of Zen.
  
  Anthony, I agree.  I also believe the (God, Buddha, Krishna, Ganeesh, 
Empiricism, Fill-In-The Blank) you worship is your self also.  And as you said 
in any case if you worship (or are even still are attached to) a self you will 
have suffering.
  
  I usually don’t talk about zen having an ‘objective’, but I do believe 
alleviation of suffering is the objective of Buddhism.  And as I’ve said many 
times before talking about zen is virtually impossible, so using Buddhist terms 
is normally okay with me.  When the self dissolves so does suffering.
  
  Happy New Year everyone!  …Bill!




  

         

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