Anthony,

 

I agree again, especially in a text-based e-forum it's impossible not to say
anything if you intend to participate.

 

I agree with your comment about 'eliminating self' (or at least recognizing
it is illusory), but I don't agree about 'understanding what things are'.  I
think the faith that 'understanding' will help solve problems is a precept
from modern empiricism and not a zen teaching.  Understanding is vastly
overrated and does not help much in these matters.

 

That's my experience anyway.

 

Thanks for posting something appropriate for discussion.  The Forum has been
pretty quiet lately and you've helped perk it up a little.  Now all we need
is more participants.

 

Oh yeah, I almost forgot, thanks to Al's for his 'Wu-Wu zen' comment.  As
usual Al makes dark and very subtle puns that I'm not sure everyone fully
appreciates.  I do - from my Dark Side, as Al has previously pointed out. 

 

.Bill!

 

Anthony Wu Wrote:

Bill,

 You are talking about the essence of zen. But don't wash your mouth. In
modern world, you cannot just talk about talking nothing.

 To eliminate self or to understand what things are help eliminate
suffering.

 Thank you anyway.

 Regards,

Anthony

Bill Smart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Anthony Wu wrote:

Yes, the Satan you worship is your self. The better way is to have others
worship you. Either case, you cannot get rid of suffering, which is the
objective of Zen.

Anthony, I agree.  I also believe the (God, Buddha, Krishna, Ganeesh,
Empiricism, Fill-In-The Blank) you worship is your self also.  And as you
said in any case if you worship (or are even still are attached to) a self
you will have suffering.

I usually don't talk about zen having an 'objective', but I do believe
alleviation of suffering is the objective of Buddhism.  And as I've said
many times before talking about zen is virtually impossible, so using
Buddhist terms is normally okay with me.  When the self dissolves so does
suffering.

Happy New Year everyone!  .Bill!

 

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