Anthony:
 There are also European taxes and limits for cigarettes sent to the UK. I 
don't know for sure its limit as I have never had more than 400 cigarettes sent 
at once.  The limit used to be 3000 cigarettes but this may well be changed.  
Taxes of cigarettes are already paid in the European Country the purchase of a 
packet is made.  Not all cigarettes I smoke are sent,  there are also the ones 
that people coming and going to Spain bring me on their return.  This last is 
the cheapest way of all. 
Mayka

--- On Fri, 29/10/10, Anthony Wu <wu...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote:


From: Anthony Wu <wu...@yahoo.com.sg>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 29 October, 2010, 3:40


  








Mayka,
 
Sorry, I was wrong. But in Asia here, bringing cigarettes from one country to 
another involves heavy duty above the quota. It is different in different 
places. Singapore gives you zero quota, which means every single piece has to 
be taxed. Hong Kong is a bit more lenient, with 19 pieces. That means you have 
to open the pack and quickly smoke one, before you pass the customs. China is 
the most liberal, at one carton. So for me, before I quit, I was able to enjoy 
ten days. Plus the famous Maotai.
 
Anthony

--- On Fri, 29/10/10, Maria Lopez <flordel...@btinternet.com> wrote:


From: Maria Lopez <flordel...@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 29 October, 2010, 8:32 AM


  






Anthony
I'm not doing anything against the UK law if this is what you are suggesting.
Mayka
 
--- On Thu, 28/10/10, Anthony Wu <wu...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote:


From: Anthony Wu <wu...@yahoo.com.sg>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 28 October, 2010, 23:13


  






Mayka,
 
I am surprised you can get cigarettes sent from Spain to the UK without being 
accused of smuggling.
 
Anthony

--- On Fri, 29/10/10, Maria Lopez <flordel...@btinternet.com> wrote:


From: Maria Lopez <flordel...@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 29 October, 2010, 4:10 AM


  











Anthony:
 
Not sure how much cost a packet of cigarettes now in the UK but I know that are 
very expensive.  The price is increasing everywhere in Europe because of the 
aggressive campaign encouraging people to give up smoking.   I have mine sent 
from Spain and last time I paid almost 4 Euros for each packet. .  
 
Mayka
 
 
 
--- On Wed, 27/10/10, Anthony Wu <wu...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote:


From: Anthony Wu <wu...@yahoo.com.sg>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 27 October, 2010, 22:31


  






Mayka,
 
I am sorry your continued request has been ignored. As our new member says, 
people tend to maintain 'certainly'. Meanwhile, there is also a lack of 
compassion. By the way, how much is a pack of cigarettes in Europe? In 
Singapore here, you pay SGD12, which is about Eur 6.7. Next time, before you 
try to quit again, go to China to have full satisfaction first. A pack of 
Marlboro is only 10 yuan (Eur 1).
 
Anthony

--- On Wed, 27/10/10, Maria Lopez <flordel...@btinternet.com> wrote:


From: Maria Lopez <flordel...@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 27 October, 2010, 7:29 PM


  






Anthony:
 
Thanks for the giving up smoking but as I previously said,  I don't want to 
give it up anymore.  I struggle for years with it.  I asked for help to my 
sangha and pointed out more than once that it at the time I would have spent a 
minimum of three months in the PV Monastery, I would have given up smoking for 
sure.  Never had a reply for my continuos request help and now I remain as a 
smoker because I like to smoke!.  
 
Sparkling Lemon refreshment drink mixed with alcoholic beer (2/3 of lemon 
sparkling drink and 1/3 of beer) is part of the traditional drinks in Spain.  
It's mostly a summer drink and can't assure you very refreshing and digestive 
with some summer meals.  Here in Scotland the same drink doesn't have the same 
healthy effect on me.  So I don't drink it.  I drink natural clear water, 
coconut water and things like that.  But mostly just lots of clear 
water.  Water is actually the drink I most like from all!.
 
Mayka
 
 
 
--- On Wed, 27/10/10, Anthony Wu <wu...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote:


From: Anthony Wu <wu...@yahoo.com.sg>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 27 October, 2010, 11:19


  






Mayka,
 
Beer mixed with anything else won't taste good. Cocktails are not made from 
beer, but wisky, cognac, gin, vodka etc. Meditation should help you give up 
smoking, if you want. However, you should resist temptation to come back to 
cigarettes for half a year. After that, it is over, and you feel great.
 
Anthony

--- On Wed, 27/10/10, Maria Lopez <flordel...@btinternet.com> wrote:


From: Maria Lopez <flordel...@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 27 October, 2010, 3:47 PM


  






Hi Anthony:
 
I don't know because hardly ever drink beer but when I do is with alcohol and 
mixed with sparkling lemon.  I'm an smoker.  After different attempts in the 
past of trying to give up I didn't succeed.  Now I don't try to give up any 
longer.  Perhaps smokes gives up on me!.  
 
Mayka

--- On Wed, 27/10/10, Anthony Wu <wu...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote:


From: Anthony Wu <wu...@yahoo.com.sg>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 27 October, 2010, 1:00


  






Mayka,
 
The alcohol free beer may taste the same, but never 'feels' the same as the 
real beer. As I told you, my unsuccessful attempts at quitting smoking with 
expensive nicotine free cigarrettes made things worse. Eventually I succeeded 
by meditation, believe it or not.
 
Anthony

--- On Wed, 27/10/10, Maria Lopez <flordel...@btinternet.com> wrote:


From: Maria Lopez <flordel...@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 27 October, 2010, 3:51 AM


  






Anthony:
 
There is also beer without alcohol in Spain.  Not sure if in the UK but in 
Spain definitely is.  My younger sister told me and tried myself while I was 
there. Similar taste as the one with the alcohol.  Beer is  a drink never 
enjoyed much on its own.  the way I like it is in very hot summer and  mixed 
with 2/3 of gaseosa ( a refreshing sparkling lemon drink) because it's very 
refreshing.
 
Mayka 
 
--- On Tue, 26/10/10, Anthony Wu <wu...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote:


From: Anthony Wu <wu...@yahoo.com.sg>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 26 October, 2010, 0:07


  






Mayka,
 
Of course, always beer containing alcohol. When I first tried to quit smoking, 
I tried nicotine free cigarettes, and ended up with a double dosage of 
cigarettes that day. That is a conflict between fun and no fun. Not sure who 
will win eventually.
 
Anthony

--- On Tue, 26/10/10, Maria Lopez <flordel...@btinternet.com> wrote:


From: Maria Lopez <flordel...@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 26 October, 2010, 7:01 AM


  






Mike:
 
Do you drink beer with alcohol or without it?.  If it's with alcohol, do you 
mean that you are drunk when you write to us?....Just curious.    Whatever you 
do, drink with mindfulness for best taste and to know what you are 
drinking.  Just kidding! 
 
Mayka  
 


--- On Mon, 25/10/10, mike brown <uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:


From: mike brown <uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 25 October, 2010, 16:37


  



Mayka,
 
After a hard days work there's nothing better than to have a few beers and stir 
things up here a bit. It's 90% ego entertainment and about10% (probably less) 
has some meaningful value. I enjoy it a lot : )
 
Mike





From: Maria Lopez <flordel...@btinternet.com>
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 25 October, 2010 20:11:02
Subject: RE: [Zen] Zen and the Brain

  






Bill, ED and all:
 
Bill wrote:
For me the Zen Forum is an e-sangha, somewhere I can go to discuss zen and
other related subjects with others.

Mayka:
Very glad to hear you say this.  For me this zen forum is the only place in 
which I can express myself openly with no consequences of having done 
so.    And because of that I'm able to express always what is in me with no 
fear or whatsoever.  
In addition,  I find this forum very supportive to myself practise.     I 
really like the variety and mix of different characters participating on it.  
Each person has a characteristic that is unique to that person.  Heart feels 
taking this posting opportunity  to thank all its participants once and again.
 
What about you ED, Mike, Anthony, Chris, Vincent, Mark...?
 
 
 
--- On Mon, 25/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org> wrote:


From: billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org>
Subject: RE: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 25 October, 2010, 5:00


  

Ed,

To the best of my knowledge the Yahoo! Zen Forum was established by Albert
Batista in 2002. Al does not participate often now, but has entrusted the
Moderator's role of the forum to Edgar Owen (who also doesn't now
participate very often) and me. As part of the Zen Forum Home Page
description of the forum Al wrote:

“We believe that true Zen is a realization and way of life which may be
found and practiced anywhere and is not confined within the gates of any
particular temple or sutra. While many of our members have studied Zen
formally we are not constrained by any particular teaching and seek to cut
directly through to reality wherever we may find ourselves.

Thus you will find this group a fun and freewheeling group that brings many
interesting and diverse perspectives to a serious and sometimes passionate
discussion of Zen. We welcome all new members at whatever level with an
interest in Zen and enlightenment to participate. On this group we are all
students, and all teachers!”

That is as an official answer as I can give you.

Of course each participant may have different reasons for participating in
this forum, and would therefore have different opinions on what the zen
forum ‘was about’.

For me the Zen Forum is an e-sangha, somewhere I can go to discuss zen and
other related subjects with others.

What do you think the Zen Forum is ‘about’?

…Bill!

From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of ED
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 9:43 AM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain

  

Bill,

What's the Zen Forum about?

Thanks, ED

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <billsm...@...> wrote:
>
Ed,

The one constant theme that runs through your comments below is that
`prior
to kensho (glimpsing Buddha Nature) it is okay to engage in intellectual
activities that you think help you understand zen'.

Zen is not something you can understand. You can form concepts and
opinions
about zen, but they are not zen. Any attempt to understand zen at best
will be unhelpful, and at worst will be misleading and detrimental.

A few posts ago I posted comments that I labeled as `logical'
and
`alogical'. The `alogical' comment was actually not
presented alogically.
It was a logical presentation of the concept of something alogical.
Since
it's relevant here, and since I'd also like to correct that
error on my
part, I now present an alogical response to your comments post below. It
can also be directed at Mike's recent comments on the same subject. It
is a
paraphrasing of a story of an excellent alogical response given by an
historical zen master:

Ed approached Joshu in all earnestness, "I want to practice zen.
I've read
many books on zen, meditation and consciousness. I keep up-to-date on
all
the latest discoveries in the realm of physiology and psychology that
relates to zen. Please give me instructions."

Joshu asked, "Have you eaten your lunch yet?"

Ed replied, "Yes I have. I just got up from the table, and I know
from my
studies that when I eat my body redirects a large portion of my blood to
my
digestive system and that results in decreased ability to concentrate,
so I
probably shouldn't sit zazen right now. What do you recommend?"

Joshu replied, "Wash your dishes."

…adapted from JOSHU'S"WASH YOUR BOWLS", Case 7 – THE
GATELESS GATE

…Bill!

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