ED, Consciousness is not a topic that interests me a lot. The other co-moderator, Edgar Owen, is very interested in consciousness and has written a long treatise about it and its significance in Zen. Edgar hasn't posted much lately, but I know he monitors the posts, so I thought he'd jump in on the post below to throw in his much more than 2-cents worth.
...Bill! --- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@...> wrote: > > > > Bill, what 'consciousness'? --ED > > > > Related phrases: stream of consciousness > <http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define:stream+of+consciousness&def\ > l=en&sa=X&ei=bnQ-TY3YIZL4swOpvKHsBA&ved=0CAQQowMoAA> self > consciousness > <http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define:self+consciousness&defl=en&\ > sa=X&ei=bnQ-TY3YIZL4swOpvKHsBA&ved=0CAUQowMoAQ> false consciousness > <http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define:false+consciousness&defl=en\ > &sa=X&ei=bnQ-TY3YIZL4swOpvKHsBA&ved=0CAYQowMoAg> class consciousness > <http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define:class+consciousness&defl=en\ > &sa=X&ei=bnQ-TY3YIZL4swOpvKHsBA&ved=0CAcQowMoAw> loss of > consciousness > <http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define:loss+of+consciousness&defl=\ > en&sa=X&ei=bnQ-TY3YIZL4swOpvKHsBA&ved=0CAgQowMoBA> access > consciousness > <http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define:access+consciousness&defl=e\ > n&sa=X&ei=bnQ-TY3YIZL4swOpvKHsBA&ved=0CAkQowMoBQ> black consciousness > movement > <http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define:black+consciousness+movemen\ > t&defl=en&sa=X&ei=bnQ-TY3YIZL4swOpvKHsBA&ved=0CAoQowMoBg> global > consciousness project > <http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define:global+consciousness+projec\ > t&defl=en&sa=X&ei=bnQ-TY3YIZL4swOpvKHsBA&ved=0CAsQowMoBw> black > consciousness > <http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define:black+consciousness&defl=en\ > &sa=X&ei=bnQ-TY3YIZL4swOpvKHsBA&ved=0CAwQowMoCA> collective > consciousness society > <http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define:collective+consciousness+so\ > ciety&defl=en&sa=X&ei=bnQ-TY3YIZL4swOpvKHsBA&ved=0CA0QowMoCQ> > > > > Definitions of consciousness on the Web: > * an alert cognitive state in which you are aware of yourself and > your situation; "he lost consciousness" * awareness: having > knowledge of; "he had no awareness of his mistakes"; "his sudden > consciousness of the problem he faced"; "their intelligence and general > knowingness was impressive" > wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn > <http://www.google.com/url?q=http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn%\ > 3Fs%3Dconsciousness&sa=X&ei=bnQ-TY3YIZL4swOpvKHsBA&ved=0CBIQpAMoAA&usg=A\ > FQjCNFJ_9zlQMSoE-byhgbHMeq4CQCwJw> > > * Consciousness is subjective experience or awareness or wakefulness > or the executive control system of the mind.Farthing, 1992 It is an > umbrella term that may refer to a variety of mental phenomena. ... > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness > <http://www.google.com/url?q=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness&\ > sa=X&ei=bnQ-TY3YIZL4swOpvKHsBA&ved=0CBMQpAMoAQ&usg=AFQjCNHGJlNHb6RYnfbzh\ > Y1qk8bRQwTx7A> > > * Consciousness is the fourth full-length album by post-grunge band > Smile Empty Soul. The album was released on August 25, 2009. "Don't Ever > Leave" was chosen as the first single off the album. It was also > revealed that the band will be shooting a video for the song. > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness_(album) > <http://www.google.com/url?q=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness_\ > (album)&sa=X&ei=bnQ-TY3YIZL4swOpvKHsBA&ved=0CBQQpAMoAg&usg=AFQjCNG9h0JnW\ > ujKlBzLtsMV7PFZxZH5NQ> > > * VijñÄna (Sanskrit; Devanagari: विà¤à¥à¤à¤¾à¤¨) > or viññÄa (PÄli; Devanagari: विà¤à¥à¤à¤¾à¤£) > is translated as "consciousness" or "life force" or simply "mind".See, > for instance, Rhys Davids & Stede (1921-25), p. ... > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness_(Buddhism) > <http://www.google.com/url?q=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness_\ > (Buddhism)&sa=X&ei=bnQ-TY3YIZL4swOpvKHsBA&ved=0CBUQpAMoAw&usg=AFQjCNHm6_\ > GMZai7PnvTjF9SsrjjzciVAw> > > * Strong AI is artificial intelligence that matches or exceeds human > intelligence the intelligence of a machine that can successfully > perform any intellectual task that a human being can. or see where he > defines strong AI as "machine intelligence with the full range of human > intelligence. ... > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness_(artificial) > <http://www.google.com/url?q=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness_\ > (artificial)&sa=X&ei=bnQ-TY3YIZL4swOpvKHsBA&ved=0CBYQpAMoBA&usg=AFQjCNG8\ > qkrYdw0XXFnv9dhPgi87TNCnaw> > > * The state of being conscious or aware; awareness > en.wiktionary.org/wiki/consciousness > <http://www.google.com/url?q=http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/consciousness\ > &sa=X&ei=bnQ-TY3YIZL4swOpvKHsBA&ved=0CBcQpAMoBQ&usg=AFQjCNGoTRaQ3W_7aUvr\ > DXb46AgO8CJrpQ> > > * conscious - intentionally conceived; "a conscious effort to speak > more slowly"; "a conscious policy" * conscious - knowing and > perceiving; having awareness of surroundings and sensations and > thoughts; "remained conscious during the operation"; "conscious of his > faults"; "became conscious that he was being followed" > wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn > <http://www.google.com/url?q=http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn%\ > 3Fs%3Dconscious&sa=X&ei=bnQ-TY3YIZL4swOpvKHsBA&ved=0CBgQpAMoBg&usg=AFQjC\ > NE8iEi-e5saVxtKcuhsYmIn0io4Vg> > > * consciously - with awareness; "she consciously played with the idea > of inviting them" > wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn > <http://www.google.com/url?q=http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn%\ > 3Fs%3Dconsciously&sa=X&ei=bnQ-TY3YIZL4swOpvKHsBA&ved=0CBkQpAMoBw&usg=AFQ\ > jCNFiMnyjqwbwQIsNg80yeh23SZdlIg> > > * Conscious - This article contains episode summaries as well as > directing and writing credits from Season 3 of the American > drama/adventure television series Alias. Season 3 aired starting on > September 28, 2003 (U.S.) and concluded on May 23, 2004. ... > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscious_(Alias_episode) > <http://www.google.com/url?q=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscious_(Ali\ > as_episode)&sa=X&ei=bnQ-TY3YIZL4swOpvKHsBA&ved=0CBoQpAMoCA&usg=AFQjCNHR9\ > gz5NjWvofLZHYhVvCBc3jgDNQ> > > * conscious - alert, awake; aware; aware of one's own existence; > aware of one's own awareness > en.wiktionary.org/wiki/conscious > <http://www.google.com/url?q=http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/conscious&sa=\ > X&ei=bnQ-TY3YIZL4swOpvKHsBA&ved=0CBsQpAMoCQ&usg=AFQjCNHqByFTaeyCY7sUWeYu\ > 3WnZiGd1Iw> > > * A state of awareness or lack thereof > en.wikibooks.org/wiki/First_Aid/Appendix_A:_Glossary > <http://www.google.com/url?q=http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/First_Aid/Appe\ > ndix_A:_Glossary&sa=X&ei=bnQ-TY3YIZL4swOpvKHsBA&ved=0CBwQpAMoCg&usg=AFQj\ > CNGy05wmxWjj0QpykyjeZAwcXOYKgw> > > * Some define consciousness as the totality of experience at any > given instant, as opposed to 'mind', which is the sum of all past > moments of consciousness. > www.artgallery.nsw.gov.au/sub/spaceodysseys/glossary.html > <http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.artgallery.nsw.gov.au/sub/spaceo\ > dysseys/glossary.html&sa=X&ei=bnQ-TY3YIZL4swOpvKHsBA&ved=0CB0QpAMoCw&usg\ > =AFQjCNFcAKLDLVhI01GJfyIMLLQlZUb8BA> > > * The intelligent, supremely independent, divine Energy, which > creates, pervades, and supports the entire universe. > www.siddhayoga.org.in/glossary.html > <http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.siddhayoga.org.in/glossary.html&\ > sa=X&ei=bnQ-TY3YIZL4swOpvKHsBA&ved=0CB4QpAMoDA&usg=AFQjCNEVx4mM3iZWEchh-\ > Xdbo4ZFVNValw> > > > > Find definitions of consciousness in: Chinese (Simplified) > <http://www.google.com/search?q=define:consciousness&hl=en&defl=zh-CN&sa\ > =X&ei=bnQ-TY3YIZL4swOpvKHsBA&ved=0CA4QpQMoAA> Chinese (Traditional) > <http://www.google.com/search?q=define:consciousness&hl=en&defl=zh-CN&sa\ > =X&ei=bnQ-TY3YIZL4swOpvKHsBA&ved=0CA4QpQMoAA&defl=zh-TW> English > Korean > <http://www.google.com/search?q=define:consciousness&hl=en&defl=zh-CN&sa\ > =X&ei=bnQ-TY3YIZL4swOpvKHsBA&ved=0CA4QpQMoAA&defl=zh-TW&defl=ko> all > languages > <http://www.google.com/search?q=define:consciousness&hl=en&defl=zh-CN&sa\ > =X&ei=bnQ-TY3YIZL4swOpvKHsBA&ved=0CA4QpQMoAA&defl=zh-TW&defl=ko&defl=all\ > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > Uh-oh! I think I feel a post from Ed (not ED) coming on...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], A Sahal A.Sahal@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Anil. Thank you. One more good reason to meditate! Say, in your > opinion, > > > > is the relationship between brain area activations and states of > > > > consciousness causal or correlative? > > > > > > There's insufficient data for a meaningful answer. We have NO idea > what > > > consciousness is-we can't even agree on a definition really. Francis > Crick (of > > > DNA fame) spent his last few years investigating consciousness and > came up with > > > some interesting ideas on physical correlates of it, but nothing of > deep > > > understanding. > > > > > > >And what about qualia? > > > > > > Nothing. > > > > > > > Do you subscribe to the cognitive paradigm endorsed by the likes > of > > > > Dennet and Pinker? > > > > > > Psychologists? How dare you associate a real scientist with > Psychologists! ;-) > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
