--- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In [email protected], "eugnostos2000" <eugnostos2000@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello. I have been following the recent discussions concerning zen,
> Zen and ethics with interest. IMO, it is a bit of a Red Herring to stay
> fixated on sexual ethics which even non-Zennists will often regard as a
> subjective muddle.
>
> I am not certain whether Zenist leaders in the US are clear as to
> whether the principles that guide their decisions on these matters are
> ad hoc, Jewish, Christian, Buddhist, Zenist, human potential movement,
> Osho's or something else's.
>
>
>
> > So let me ask this. Can a Buddha deliberately harm others?
>
> Whom do we label as 'a buddha'?
>
>
>
> > Now doubtless there are some here that will say that zen has nothing
> to do with Buddha, etc. etc., but it is a fact that Zen arose within
> Buddhism as a way to become aware of our own Buddha-Dhatu in a direct
> way, unencumbered by intellectualism.
>
> And, what are the postulated characteristics of this assumed
> Buddha-Dhatu?
>
>
>
> > And of course Zennists will assert that this "direct pointing to the
> heart of humanity" goes directly back to Gotama himself.
>
> And, what is postulated to exist at the heart of humanity?
>
>
>
> > So the question remains. Can a fully realized Buddha deliberately
> choose to cause harm?
>
> The answer to this question is: That depends on one's premises
> concerning the characteristics of a 'fully-realized Buddha.'
>
>
>
> > The BuddhaDharma has always been concerned, not just with Great
> Wisdom, but also with Great Compassion. Is this Great Compassion merely
> another conceptual delusion or is it a fundamental feature of
> Enlightenment itself?
> > Steve
>
> I might be able to make a comment (to you) if you tell us what
> 'Compassion' and 'Great Compassion' mean (to you.)
>
> (See, Mel, I didn't consult the Internet to decipher the meaning of
> 'Compassion', but am offering to furnish my opinion on the topic for a
> multitudinous and Babel-like collection of personal definitions of
> 'Compassion'.)
>
> ;-)
>
> --ED
Aw, come on, ED! You KNOW you want to post some Wiki! :-)
Steve
>
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