Kristy, Does it need striving to be in 'just this'? Otherwise, will your mind not go astray? Anthony
--- On Thu, 24/2/11, Kristy McClain <[email protected]> wrote: From: Kristy McClain <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Zen] Can A Buddha Harm Others? To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, 24 February, 2011, 2:28 AM Anthony, You are back to the "striving"-thing. How can one "strive" , and be in "just THIS" at the same time? In my view-- you can't. Please enlighten me... k --- On Wed, 2/23/11, Anthony Wu <[email protected]> wrote: From: Anthony Wu <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Zen] Can A Buddha Harm Others? To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 7:14 AM Steve, I am not an enlightened man. But IMO, enlightenment without compassion is not full enlightenment, or a 'distorted enlightenment', which is not worth striving for. Anthony --- On Wed, 23/2/11, eugnostos2000 <[email protected]> wrote: From: eugnostos2000 <[email protected]> Subject: [Zen] Can A Buddha Harm Others? To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, 23 February, 2011, 1:26 PM Hello. I have been following the recent discussions concerning zen, Zen and ethics with interest. IMO, it is a bit of a Red Herring to stay fixated on sexual ethics which even non-Zennists will often regard as a subjective muddle. So let me ask this. Can a Buddha deliberately harm others? Now doubtless there are some here that will say that zen has nothing to do with Buddha, etc. etc., but it is a fact that Zen arose within Buddhism as a way to become aware of our own Buddha-Dhatu in a direct way, unencumbered by intellectualism. And of course Zennists will assert that this "direct pointing to the heart of humanity" goes directly back to Gotama himself. So the question remains. Can a fully realized Buddha deliberately choose to cause harm? The BuddhaDharma has always been concerned, not just with Great Wisdom, but also with Great Compassion. Is this Great Compassion merely another conceptual delusion or is it a fundamental feature of Enlightenment itself? Steve
