The world of samsara is not only created by oneselves alone is also by mankind. Or is it not?. Take for instance a big city as New York and getting swallow by it. I think that Lana and Rose were also mentioning the problems of applying that selfless in a world of complete samsara. It's not as difficult when one is in contact with nature and not as many other human beings. Humans are the only samsara I know for real. All the rest is just nature. No self, no samsara. --- On Mon, 28/2/11, mike brown <[email protected]> wrote:
From: mike brown <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Zen] Change To: [email protected] Date: Monday, 28 February, 2011, 14:34 Mayka, It is the "real world" - the world of samsara is created by your mind. Bring your Zen off the mat and into the marketplace. Mike From: Maria Lopez <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, 28 February, 2011 17:17:15 Subject: Re: [Zen] Change This doesn't work for me in the daily survival world. It only works when I'm in retreats, amongst practicioners...but not in the real world. What do you do to make it work in the real world? --- On Mon, 28/2/11, mike brown <[email protected]> wrote: From: mike brown <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Zen] Change To: [email protected] Date: Monday, 28 February, 2011, 4:55 Mayka, We create suffering by falsely identifying ourselves with our ego and making ourselves a me separate from the world. If you understand this, and recognise it as outside your "comfort zone", then I'd suggest trying to ground yourself in that Awareness where you can witness different emotions as happening - but not happening to a 'you' . The more you can practice this, the less you'll find youreslf outside your Comfort Zone. Mike From: Maria Lopez <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, 28 February, 2011 3:13:01 Subject: Re: [Zen] Change Hi Mike: What about when one is not in the comfortable zone? Mayka --- On Sun, 27/2/11, mike brown <[email protected]> wrote: From: mike brown <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Zen] Change To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, 27 February, 2011, 16:20 Hi Mayka, Things still happen, but there's no me for them to happen to - hence no attacments/aversions that lead to discrimination/duality. You can still chop wood and carry water, but with no sense of an I doing something. Mike From: maria818448 <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, 28 February, 2011 1:01:51 Subject: Re: [Zen] Change Mike: How does one function in the real world of survival as non identification with the ego?. Mayka --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote: > > ED, > > If a person still identifies with his ego, then his actions/emotions will > change > in accordance with the situations and circumastances around him. > 'Personality' > is nothing but a consensual label to these emotions as seen by people in the > subjects social group. To dis-identify from the self is to live in the > changeless Self. > > Mike >  > > > > > ________________________________ > From: ED <seacrofter001@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sun, 27 February, 2011 22:41:38 > Subject: Re: [Zen] Change > >  > > Hi Mike and All, > Excluding physical changes, it is hard to apprehend whether, in general, > humans change or not. The most appropriate answer I can think of is: "Yes > and > no." > For instance, through psychodrama, cognitive therapy, behavioral therapy, > exposure to the Dharma, participation in 'human potential' workshops, or > something else, his attitudes and behaviors have been considerably modified > for > the better (or worse) as seen by those who know him - but his basic > personality > has remained unchanged. > --ED >  >  > --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > Finally back in Japan after over 2 months in India! Ok, 'change'... Yes, we > > all > > > > change every second of every minute of every day. What is important is to > > find > > > out what doesn't change. > > > > Mike > >  > V asked: > Sorry I haven't been around in awhile....I've been reading the posts in the > > group, but I myself haven't posted in many months. I do have a question, > > however. > > Can people change? And by change, I mean can people change in a very > >fundamental > > > > manner? If so, how is it done? >
