Re: [Zen] Change

[ED]

I believe that there are relatively few cases of individuals who have
claimed to have become spontaneously enlightened or were born
enlightened.

--ED



--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> ... I empathise with the Dzogchen claim that meditation is not
essential
> for enlightenmentm but is useful for developing mindfullness, moral
development,
> concentration etc. Only after Realisation is meditation essential for
deepening
> the initial breakthrough.
>
> Mike