ED, You are insufferably analytic!! Stop!!!!
'Mindfulness', if used to describe Buddha Mind or Pure Awareness, is not made up of 3 or 9 or 847 states! It's not divisable into states! If you want to understand satori you're on the wrong track. You can't UNDERSTAND satori because it is beyond (or before) the realm of reason. If on the other hand you want to EXPERIENCE satori, then all you need to do is sit (zazen). And yes, maybe you don't even need to do that. If I were your teacher I'd recommend koan study for you. You need something to breakdown that analytical streak of yours (in my opinion). ...Bill! --- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@...> wrote: > > > > > Mike, > > Is the following set of statements more acceptable to you? > > --ED > > PS: The post is, naturally, addressed to all. > > ----- > > Mindfulness in the present moment is the simultaneous existence of three > states: > > (1) A clear and bright awareness of experiences in the present moment > > (2) A non-grasping and non-pushing-away of these experiences, without a > sense of I/me/mine, or of subject/object > > (3) Nothing else exists in the mind, and in paricular no thoughts, > judgments or evaluations > > > > Comments: > > Mindfulness, imperfect to begin with, is a method. > > Perfect mindfulness is a goal. > > Perfect mindfulness is the outcome of much practice of perfect and > imperfect mindfulnes over shorter time intervals. > > Continuous perfect mindfulnes is the equivalent of ????? in Zen? > > Is 'shikantaza' none other than mindfulness on the zafu? > > > --ED > > > > --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote: > > > > ED, > > > > I think you're right on the button with number (1) and the all but the > last > > sentence of number (2), because we always have the awareness of 'I am' > (unlike > > mindfulness which comes and goes ie, a mental state). > > > > I think shikentaza is mostly about mindfulness on the mat, but it's > also about > > being non-judgemental about anything that comes up while you're > sitting. Sartori > > is much more about the waking up to awareness than awareness itself. > > > > Mike > > > > > > Mike, here's my take: > > Mindfulness in the present moment is the simultaneous existence of > two states: > > (1) A clear and bright awareness of experiences in the present moment > > (2) A non-grasping and non-pushing-away of these experiences, without > a sense of > > I/me/mine > > Mindfulness over a time interval is mindfulness in every instant of > that time > > interval. > > Being mindful over long time intervals eventually merges into a state > of > > continuous 'pure awareness'. > > ---- > > Two questions: > > Is 'shikantaza' none other than mindfulness on the zafu? > > Is the state of 'pure awareness' identical with the state of > satori? > > --ED > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
