--- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@...> wrote:
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> Excellent analogy, but truths are not proven by analogies.
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> The first two sentences of my post below are what I believe the
> patriarchs had in mind.
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> The understandings of Bill, Steve and others are requested.
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> --ED
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> Hi ED. IMO, intellectual understandings are beside the point.
Right now, if you are very alert you can see for yourself. In
any moment of experience there is neither subject nor object.
A split second later conceptualization conjures up self and other.
When that Zen guy heard the bell ring and saw his Original Face,
it wasn't anything extraordinary. In any moment of experience it
can be apparent to you, as it is to me. We are not a subject having
an experience of an object. We are the totality of the moment,
which is always here and now. When we think about it, then the
moment is split in two. IMO.
Steve
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> --- In [email protected], Chris Austin-Lane <chris@> wrote:
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> My statement is intended to be simpler than that, just a statement of
> fact. An analogy: a cylinder projected onto one plane is a square; on
> another plane, it is a circle. People will argue circle vs square, but
> they are not different. The cylinder is the cylinder.
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> > 'Samsara is no different than nirvana.'
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> > Yes, but only to the non-rational mind or no-mind.
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> > The neocortex/limbic_system which is the mind we normally reside in
> cannot perform that trick.
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> --ED
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