Reciprocated smiles to you. Thank you Mel for your warm response and insight; It must be difficult for ED to get into the real thing through just reading in internet. If he only could understand that our sayings have nothing to do of putting him down but well on the contrary, to release him from the continuous mental fatigue of trying to understand something that has nothing to do with mental understanding. If he could only sit down for only 20 minutes doing conscious breathing and only acknowledge what is happening....Wow, he can't even imagine the wikipedia movie he'll be finding within himself! . But he doesn't seem to believe that he is already an enlightened buddha awaiting for him to be seen!. My Teacher calls this complex of inferiority. Mayka --- On Mon, 7/3/11, Mel <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Mel <[email protected]> Subject: [Zen] Realization(to Mayka/ED/list) To: [email protected] Date: Monday, 7 March, 2011, 6:22 Damn, I tried but I just couldn't keep away. Hey there Mayka(*smiles*). ED, this is one of those things about Zen...people/objects/otherwise annoying you(deliberately, or otherwise) are like tennis balls coming at you with accompanied noises. Dualistically-speaking, you gotta keep a cool head and clear eyes, and concentrate. That is achieved through zazen, and the resultant practise afterwards. However, the problem with explaining such dualistic concept to someone outside of the Zen commnunity is that...they might hold onto such words with a pit bull-terrier's grip and think that's it, instead of actually looking at what the teachings say overall in peace Mel --- On Sat, 5/3/11, Maria Lopez <[email protected]> wrote: From: Maria Lopez <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Zen] Realization To: [email protected] Received: Saturday, 5 March, 2011, 3:03 AM Oooohhh My!. Take it easy ED! --- On Fri, 4/3/11, ED <[email protected]> wrote: From: ED <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Zen] Realization To: [email protected] Date: Friday, 4 March, 2011, 14:43 Mayka, In Latin, there is an idiom: "Piscem natare doces.", which translates into English literally as: "To teach the fish to swim." - but more effectively as: "To teach the 'Our Father' to the vicar." and more colorfully as: "To teach one's grandmother to suck eggs."! ;-) In Western psychotherapy, it it suggested that for effective and respectful communication, one first check with the other that one has apprehended the meaning and intention of the other's statement, before rushing in to judge, 'correct' or chastise, driven by one's own interpretations and imaginings. If you fail to understand my post, Google may not be too helpful, but perhaps Bill or Edgar or Mike or Kristy, in their Great Compassion, might be willing to help. --ED --- In [email protected], Maria Lopez <flordeloto@...> wrote: > > ED; > > Bill is correct. Mindfulness is not divisable into states as it's not a > mental state. The only thing that may be divisible are the steps to be > followed in order to enhance the quality of this practice. > > Mayka > ED, > > You are insufferably analytic!! Stop!!!! > > 'Mindfulness', if used to describe Buddha Mind or Pure Awareness, is not made > up of 3 or 9 or 847 states! It's not divisable into states! > --ED
