Bill,
I have had two Dzogchen teachers. I do not perceive any essential difference between Dzogchen and Zen. It's a matter of personal choice between the focused energies of Zen masters and the relaxed, laid-back energies of Dzogchen teachers. "Since everything is an apparition, Complete in being what it is, Having nothing to do with good or bad, Acceptance or rejection, One may well burst into laughter." Longchenpa (14th century) "David Germano, in his doctoral thesis on the Tsigdön Dzö (tshigs don mdzod) <http://groups.yahoo.com/wiki/Tsigd%C3%B6n_Dz%C3%B6_(tshigs_don_mdzod)> (one of the Seven Treasuries <http://groups.yahoo.com/wiki/Seven_Treasuries> ),[3] <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/post?act=reply&messageNum=24133\ &referer=/group/Zen_Forum/message/24133&use_rte=1#cite_note-germano-2> frames the brilliance of Longchenpa within the wider discourse of the Dzogchen tradition (found in the Bonpo <http://groups.yahoo.com/wiki/Bonpo> Zhangzhung <http://groups.yahoo.com/wiki/Zhangzhung> and Indo-Tibetan traditions of Buddhism):" - ED --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote: Sounds a lot like zen! ...Bill! --- In [email protected] </group/Zen_Forum/post?postID=MNBgfH4aLahhcX2zOqjg2RiWElh_T6Mj-rpkG3QRcx\ gy3WtongCJ74p_hQqL3rnZ7TeJ0qQeRUglvWyDsPCb> , "ED" <seacrofter001@...> wrote: > > Garab Dorje, the first master of Dzogchen, manifested as a human being > in the third century B.C.E.. > > His final teaching before he entered the Body of Light was to summarise > the teachings in Three Principles, sometimes known as "The Three Last > Statements of Garab Dorje." He left behind this testament for all the > Dzogchen practitioners of the future. > > The Three Statements of Garab Dorje are: > > "Introduce in the state directly" refers to the transmission by the > master, who, in various ways, introduces and brings the disciple to > understand the condition of "what is", the individual's primordial > state. This is the Base. > > > "Do not remain in doubt" means that one must have a precise knowledge of > this state, finding the state of the presence of contemplation which is > one and the same in all the thousands of possible experiences. This is > the Path > > "Continue in the profound knowledge of self-liberation" is the Fruit. > That means, the complete and unchangeable knowledge of self-liberation > is totally integrated with one's daily life and in all circumstances one > continues in that state. All the hundreds and hundreds of original texts > of Dzogchen can be considered to be an explanation of these three verses > of Garab Dorje." > > from "The Crystal and the Way of Light" and "Dzogchen, the > Self-Perfected State" - by Chögyal Namkhai Norbu > > top <http://www.dzogchen.org.au/index.php?page=chnn#top <http://www.dzogchen.org.au/index.php?page=chnn#top> >
