Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges!
--- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@...> wrote:
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> Mike and Mayka,
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> Have your claims to realization of Buddha Nature been accredited by
> authentic Zen Masters?
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> --- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@> wrote:
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> Mike,
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> My question is simple and impersonal:
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> What is the benefit to himself/herself or others of a person arriving at
> such a state?
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> --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote:>
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> ED, Haha, "So what?", indeed! I guess being on a Zen chat forum might
> have something to do with talking about it tho : ) I respect that some
> people are more 'Stevie Nicks' about keeping their crystal visions to
> themselves, but for me, if someone asks I'll try to give as honest an
> answer as I can. If I'm doing a hatchet job of answering those questions
> then, I can only hope that people respect that I'm doing the best with
> the tools that I have. Mike
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> Mike and Mayka,
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> Whatever the experience you have that you refer to as your realization
> of, or experiencing of, or awakening to Buddha Nature, Buddha Mind,
> wisdom-insight or kensho-satori, so what?
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> --ED
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> ED, I may be wrong here, but you still seem to think of 'Buddha
> Nature' in terms of something that has qualities 'out there' that can be
> experienced and known if we just follow certain steps (whether zazen,
> reason or science etc) 'Buddha Nature (or whatever) is not something
> that is attained, gained or even experienced (but 'experienced' is ok if
> we understand there is no 'I' for an experience to happen to). In fact,
> it's more about dropping/losing than adding/finding. 'Kensho'/'satori'
> are just rough pointers, 'tools' if you like, that symbolise a 'state'
> where our sense of 'I' has been dropped and duality has been transcended
> (Dogen's 'dropping of body and mind' is the best description IMO). This
> 'state' is impossible to be conveyed by words/logic although it can be
> hinted at. How this is done depends on the idiosyncronies/personality of
> the person expressing it and so will always be different from person to
> person. Thus Mayka's method of conveying what she has 'experienced' will
> be different to Bill's. How this 'experience' has been further
> cultivated and intergrated into one's daily living will also have a
> bearing on how it is expressed. The feeling I get on this forum is that
> some people have being practicing Zen for some time, doing all the
> 'right' things, going to sesshins, reading lots of material etc. but
> have yet to 'experience' that 'experience' that turns the conceptual
> world upside down and so feel (maybe subconsciously) they have to knock
> (or hint at) other people's insights as just woo-woo or delusional. Just
> saying. Mike
> ED; Budha nature is beyond any form and therefore the buddha nature
> Bill talks about is the same I'm referring to. The form of the words
> are only like a finger pointing to the moon. Knowing how to enter into
> the buddha nature doesn't mean in anyway that one is at all time into
> the wave of buddha nature. This requires years of training. At times
> live in a monastery. Attending retreats to have a good boost... Living
> in the present moment in body and mind is not an easy task at all times.
> But it doesn't mean in anyway being unable to have taste what is buddha
> nature about. It's enough to practice mindfulness and buddha nature can
> started to gradually unfold by itself. This is an endless experience
> of awakening. It's not an static experience. When buddha nature is
> absented in me is because I allow myself be drag down back by
> forgetfulness, habit energies, ego....and so goes for everybody else.
> Mayka
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