Bill!, >Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges!
But do you have a badge that qualifies you to say that? Mike ________________________________ From: Bill! <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, 24 March, 2011 19:01:14 Subject: [Zen] Re: Add Nothing Extra Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges! --- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@...> wrote: > > > > > > Mike and Mayka, > > Have your claims to realization of Buddha Nature been accredited by > authentic Zen Masters? > > --ED > > > > --- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@> wrote: > > > Mike, > > My question is simple and impersonal: > > What is the benefit to himself/herself or others of a person arriving at > such a state? > > --ED > > > > --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote:> > > ED, Haha, "So what?", indeed! I guess being on a Zen chat forum might > have something to do with talking about it tho : ) I respect that some > people are more 'Stevie Nicks' about keeping their crystal visions to > themselves, but for me, if someone asks I'll try to give as honest an > answer as I can. If I'm doing a hatchet job of answering those questions > then, I can only hope that people respect that I'm doing the best with > the tools that I have. Mike > > Mike and Mayka, > > Whatever the experience you have that you refer to as your realization > of, or experiencing of, or awakening to Buddha Nature, Buddha Mind, > wisdom-insight or kensho-satori, so what? > > --ED > > > ED, I may be wrong here, but you still seem to think of 'Buddha > Nature' in terms of something that has qualities 'out there' that can be > experienced and known if we just follow certain steps (whether zazen, > reason or science etc) 'Buddha Nature (or whatever) is not something > that is attained, gained or even experienced (but 'experienced' is ok if > we understand there is no 'I' for an experience to happen to). In fact, > it's more about dropping/losing than adding/finding. 'Kensho'/'satori' > are just rough pointers, 'tools' if you like, that symbolise a 'state' > where our sense of 'I' has been dropped and duality has been transcended > (Dogen's 'dropping of body and mind' is the best description IMO). This > 'state' is impossible to be conveyed by words/logic although it can be > hinted at. How this is done depends on the idiosyncronies/personality of > the person expressing it and so will always be different from person to > person. Thus Mayka's method of conveying what she has 'experienced' will > be different to Bill's. How this 'experience' has been further > cultivated and intergrated into one's daily living will also have a > bearing on how it is expressed. The feeling I get on this forum is that > some people have being practicing Zen for some time, doing all the > 'right' things, going to sesshins, reading lots of material etc. but > have yet to 'experience' that 'experience' that turns the conceptual > world upside down and so feel (maybe subconsciously) they have to knock > (or hint at) other people's insights as just woo-woo or delusional. Just > saying. Mike > ED; Budha nature is beyond any form and therefore the buddha nature > Bill talks about is the same I'm referring to. The form of the words > are only like a finger pointing to the moon. Knowing how to enter into > the buddha nature doesn't mean in anyway that one is at all time into > the wave of buddha nature. This requires years of training. At times > live in a monastery. Attending retreats to have a good boost... Living > in the present moment in body and mind is not an easy task at all times. > But it doesn't mean in anyway being unable to have taste what is buddha > nature about. It's enough to practice mindfulness and buddha nature can > started to gradually unfold by itself. This is an endless experience > of awakening. It's not an static experience. When buddha nature is > absented in me is because I allow myself be drag down back by > forgetfulness, habit energies, ego....and so goes for everybody else. > Mayka >
