--- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@...> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> One can meditate without practicing the precepts, but we have no idea as
> to where that would take one.
> 
> --ED
>
  Hi ED. Maybe Bill! can tell us. ;-) Say, why don't you know? How long have 
you been doing zazen? You know, old Gotama only meditated for about 6 years. 
How come the place isn't crawling with World-Honored All-Knowing Ones? Or IS 
it, and we just don't notice it because, not practicing precepts (or 
mindfulness trainings-whatever)they are just as obnoxious as the rest of us 
"foolish beings"? ;-)
Steve



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