--- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote:
>
> Steve,
> 
> I'm not so sure that science has proven false the idea that all phenomena are 
> strictly determined. I think the jury is still out on that one. It's true 
> that 
> what happens in the micro, quantum world is random and unpredictable, but not 
> so 
> in the macro-universe. Determinism seems to play a major role in life. Take a 
> look at environmental determinism. The cultural life of mountain people, 
> being 
> shaped by the mountains, is different from the culture of fishing villages, 
> being shaped by close proximity to the sea. Culture itself plays a key role 
> in 
> determining the social and psychological life of an individual. Likewise, 
> being 
> 6ft 2 and 200lbs it is highly unlikely I'll ever be a horse jockey. Also, 
> isn't 
> it one of the core tenents of Zen/emptiness that there is no object or 
> phenomena 
> that is self-created and independent - everything is 
> interdependent? Speaking 
> for myself, I have no fixed position on these questions. I do believe, 
> however, 
> there is a difference in determinism and self-determinism (as opposed to 
> predestination) and we do make choices (freewill) that can influence the 
> future.
> 
> Mike 
> 
> Hi again, Mike. One other thing which I forgot to mention is that free-will 
> is a different topic entirely, and I have not addressed that subject. BTW, 
> the reason I chose those two articles for you is that they are actually 
> written by an advocate of Advaita Vedanta who differs in significant ways 
> from other advocates of Advaita Vedanta.
On the topic of free-will, I agree with the Kashmir Shaivites. You may have 
noticed that I care not one whit whether or not I am a Member In Good Standing 
in the Zen Club or any other Club.
Steve
> 

>




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