Anthony, I might like to check my EXPLANATIONS against someone elses, but I don't need to check my EXPERIENCES against anyone elses.
You're continuing to talk about EXPLANATIONS and rational thinking where I'm talking about EXPERIENCE. These two have different attributes. I don't go to sleep reading long and ponderous rational explanations. I just quit reading them and go for a walk (or clean my bowls). ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Anthony Wu <wuasg@...> wrote: > > Bill, > Â > There is nothing wrong with describing someone else' explanations. You need > to see all kinds of views to check your own. The only problem, I still think, > is ED's presentations are too complicated that I can go to sleep going > through them. But that does not rule out from time to time his very valuable > words. > Â > Anthony > > --- On Wed, 11/5/11, Bill! <BillSmart@...> wrote: > > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> > Subject: [Zen] Re: Questions > To: [email protected] > Date: Wednesday, 11 May, 2011, 2:24 PM > > > Â > > > > Anthony, > > ED's concepts are not too complicated. If you want to engage with him or > anyone else in an intellectual discussion you're going to have to employ > concepts. I just think having an intellectual discussion about zen is about > as useful as investigating quantum mechanics using Tarot cards. In each case > you're just not employing the righ tool for the job. > > ED, in my opinion, doesn't DESCRIBE his experiences, he tries to EXPLAIN > things - and usually they aren't even HIS explanations, they are someone > elses (like a link to some other person's explanation). Most of the time ED > does not even indicate if he agrees or disagress with the link to which he's > pointing us. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Anthony Wu <wuasg@> wrote: > > > > Bill, > > ÃÂ > > While ED's concepts are sometimes too complicated, how does everyone avoid > > concepts, even when they describe their experiences? > > ÃÂ > > Anthony > > > > --- On Mon, 9/5/11, Bill! <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@> > > Subject: [Zen] Re: Questions > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Monday, 9 May, 2011, 8:44 AM > > > > > > ÃÂ > > > > > > > > Ed, > > > > What Mel and Mayka and even I consistently tell you is that we are not > > interested in your CONCEPTS or your links to the concepts of others. We, or > > at least I, would be very interested in descriptions of your EXPERIENCES. > > > > Kabeesh? > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mel, > > > > > > What comment have I made in a recent post that you object to or disagree > > > with? > > > > > > --ED > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Mel <gunnar19632000@> wrote: > > > > > > > ...Ahhh, ED-ED-ED-ED.....what are we goin' to do with > > > you?..HaHaha!....hmmmm?....and please, don't pray to the Lord Buddha, > > > 'cause there's nothin' there but empty air. It would be just about as > > > good as a dog barking in the empty air in the middle of the night and > > > getting no responses. Unless of course, that you've adopted the practise > > > of praying to a corpse buried a long time ago..*more laughter*...and the > > > ghost of that man might be laughing at you right now for thinking he's > > > some sort of god Now, why did I say all these, you may ask..yes? It's > > > because you refered to the Buddha as also having love for me in the same > > > way mindless Christianity speaks of Jesus. Zen has no gods...PERIOD, and > > > categorizations(or pigeon-holing as we know it here in Australia), word > > > definitions or descriptions, intellectualizations, knowledge-gatherings, > > > and so on....these have NOTHING to do with Zen. I'm not even sure if you > > > understood what your question was about when you asked me,"Does a dog > > > have Buddha-nature?" Whether by choice or not, you're making yourself > > > look like a machine that gets printed data from somewhere, and then such > > > machine passing the info to us here in the Zen community. Whether you > > > really comprehend such data or not is another matter ..And ED, please > > > don't tell me again that I have no tolerance or something or another, > > > thank me for speaking my mind about what I really think of you, that god > > > loves me too, and so on...waste of time bud.. Oh gosh...*big > > > laughter*...I wonder how many more times I'm going to have to repeat > > > this same message again, plus some more with Buddha's grace Mel > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
