--- On Tue, 17/5/11, Beverley Huish <[email protected]> wrote:

One of the things that appeals to me about Buddhism is that it 
is non-judgemental.
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MEL: Non-judgemental? I don't know about the conservative Buddhist stream, but 
zen people can get quite direct and straigthforward
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I'm also glad to have you say that knowledge isn't Buddhism's emphasis - there 
seems to be an awful lot of it about different types of Buddhism.
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MEL: Yay or nay on knowledge...well, it depends on who you talk to. I thought 
it was very odd and quite funny when a Theravada devotee of sorts once spoke to 
me of 'buddhist scholars'/study monks

In zen, the more knowledge(specially useless knowledge that have no immediate 
use), the more cluttered the mind
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(I already decided that I'm not going to make any effort to pick up what I 
don't need to know, or when I don't feel I can take anything else new on - 
unfortunately, being a newbie Buddhist, I don't know what I really need to know 
to be a Buddhist.  I'm just focussing on mindfulness at the moment and hoping / 
trusting that other information will come to me as I'm ready to receive it.)
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MEL: Do your research, and read all sorts of material you feel would suit your 
needs. You don't have to commit yourself to anything until you're ready
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I'm a newbie in this group, and to Buddhism.
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MEL: Welcome  
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I sincerely don't want to upset anyone or start an argument.  I want to join in 
this discussion, and this has cropped up so I'm asking the question.
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MEL: I won't make much sense to you right now, but you've got to get past the 
'upset/argument' issue, because you'll always come across that no matter how 
peaceful you try to be. I don't know about Buddhists as such, but zen doesn't 
teach anything concrete about morals, honour, and so on
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I told a friend today that I feel Buddhism is for me, and I'm looking into 
Zen.  My friend replied that Tibetan Buddhism is a more spiritual type of 
Buddhism because they believe in God.  Having looked into various types of 
Buddhism, he believes that the Buddha communicated higher information, 
including the existence of God, to Tibetan Buddhists because they were more 
spiritually evolved at that point - Tibetan Buddhists claim this is the case 
and my friend agrees with them, he says.  My response was to say that different 
things appeal to different people and I don't think it's a matter of one being 
more 'spiritual' or more 'true' than another.  (I really don't care what 
might considered 'higher' or more 'spiritual' - at the moment that is 
irrelevant to me.  However, it did seem a kind of un-Buddhist thing to claim 
that oneself is better than another person?  My friend is not a Buddhist.)
 
What do other people think?
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MEL: The Tibetan-style of Buddhism is fine if that's one's choice. Different 
strokes, different folks

Zen however, is something you live with daily. It will not work without life's 
experience and stepping out from the influences of one's past Middle Eastern 
beliefs. The book ZEN MIND BEGINNERS MIND might be a good start for you

Lastly, be wary of zen material put up by scholars who are not involved with zen
 
Buddha be praised
Mel

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