[MIKE] For me, I'm experiencing a much deeper sense of peace and
tranquility in hectic moments ('hectic' being just a state of mind) ...
[ED ]This is the outcome of almost any type of mindfulness-type or
concentration-type meditation, when practiced with diligence, daily, and
for sufficient sitting time; and provided one does not engage in too
much distracting, mind-disturbing or frivolous activities when off the
zafu, nor in precept-violating speech or actions.. [MIKE] Yes and no.
I find that with vipassana meditation you go right into each nano-second
of your existence, both physically and mentally, in a way Zen just
simply doesn't.
[ED] Perhaps Zen and Vipassana have slightly different paths to the
same goal.
[MIKE] ...and a also a deeper understanding of how other people might
be affected by my words and actions. [ED] Now *this* is 'insight'.
Mike, thank you for sharing. [MIKE] Maybe this is the 'proof' of its
efficacy?..
[ED] Efficacy in attaining what objectives?
--- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote:
>
ED,
>>Yes and Yes. > For me, I'm experiencing a much deeper sense of peace
and tranquility in hectic moments ('hectic' being just a state of mind)
... >>This is the outcome of almost any type of mindfulness-type or
concentration-type meditation, when practiced with diligence, daily, and
for sufficient sitting time; and provided one does not engage in too
much distracting, mind-disturbing or frivolous activities when off the
zafu, nor in precept-violating speech or actions.. Yes and no. I find
that with vipassana meditation you go right into each nano-second of
your existence, both physically and mentally, in a way Zen just simply
doesn't. How many times have you heard people at a sesshin complain
about sitting for as little as 25-40 mins complain about the pain and
discomfort? If you go to a vipassana retreat, you'll witness people
sitting for over 2 hours and more. This isn't just from being macho
about sitting, but comes from mastery over the body/mind. As for
following the precepts, well, how many times have you read how Zen/zen
isn't really Buddhism and there's no need to follow the sutras?
> ...and a also a deeper understanding of how other people might be
affected by my words and actions. >>Now *this* is 'insight'. Mike,
thank you for sharing. Maybe this is the 'proof' of its efficacy?..
