Mayka, You can see from your experiences that how magnanimous and liberal our Bill roshi is on this site. Anthony
--- On Tue, 26/7/11, Maria Lopez <[email protected]> wrote: From: Maria Lopez <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Zen elements? To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, 26 July, 2011, 8:20 AM Bill: I'd like partially disagree with your statement about that there is no preaching in zen. Perhaps in real zen you're right there is no preaching but in the zen found in the Internet groups where a Teacher or Roshi is present there, Not only there is preaching but also there is an enormous repression imposed over its members. It's a zen borne in the USA and it's perverse, fanatic, psychological violent to its members. In this respect I'm very lucky and websites of that kind they usually put me soon into moderation. And at those moments I know that I'm in a faking pretentious zen group. This was the case in the Zen Living Group yesterday in which I've been put into moderation for no real serious transgression done but just giving responses to mails received. And I've been put into moderation without been warned, told and neither the participants of the group have been inform about it. And someone who came out asking to be deleted from the group after reading the response from the Roshi to me. He was insulted with nasty language by one of the fanatic Roshi followers. Not that I care much as I don't usually am an active participant over that group. Saying this only to illustrate that preaching, perversion, agresion, represion, imposition of views and ideas do exist in American zen. Mayka --- On Mon, 25/7/11, Bill! <[email protected]> wrote: From: Bill! <[email protected]> Subject: [Zen] Re: Zen elements? To: [email protected] Date: Monday, 25 July, 2011, 2:34 Mayka, Thanks for your excellent definition of 'preaching'. I agree with it. In that sense I do not beleive zen teachers 'preach'. If they do they've lost the immediateness and sponteneiety that characterizes zen. I do suspect many Buddhist teachers preach. Chrisitians, Jews and Muslims preach a lot. IMO. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Maria Lopez <flordeloto@...> wrote: > > ED and Bill; >  > The word "Preaching" sounds to me as a monotonous repetitive lethany of > religious catechisms.  There are times in which we all "preach" which > means that what we say is not alive in us at the moment of being expressed > out. We only repeat what we heard or even maybe occasionally have > experienced. But that is not alive in us at the present moment of > talking. Then, there are other times in which the receiver has a complex > with "preaching" and as a result of that mental formation,  everything > he/she hears is received as preaching. >  > Mayka >  >  > --- On Sun, 24/7/11, Bill! <BillSmart@...> wrote: > > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> > Subject: [Zen] Re: Zen elements? > To: [email protected] > Date: Sunday, 24 July, 2011, 9:03 > > >  > > > > ED, > > I had to look up the word 'sententious'. Merriam-Webster Online defines it as: > a: given to or abounding in aphoristic expression > b: given to or abounding in excessive moralizing > > Then I had to look up 'aphoristic'. Merriam-Webster Online defines it as: > a: a concise statement of a principle > b: terse formulation of a truth or sentiment > > With those definitions in mind I'd say: > - zen defnitely favors aphorisitic expressions but does absolutely no > moralizing > - Christianity favors aphorisitic experssions and defintitely likes to > moralize. > > So my answer to your question below is, "No, not entirely." > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it the case that sententious preaching, rational and/or non-rational, > > is an element that Zen and Christianity tend to hold in common? > > >
