JMJM,

Thanks for your clarifications...Bill!

--- In [email protected], 覺妙精明 <chan.jmjm@...> wrote:
>
> Oh, I need to be careful here, Bill.  Please note there is this word of 
> "universal" also in the definition.  Some chi are localized and not 
> universal. Some chi are dirty and unclean... :-)
> 
> On 1/13/2012 7:03 PM, Bill! wrote:
> >
> > z*** Repost to correct typos ***
> >
> > JMJM,
> >
> > So...without any intention of trying to trap you with words and terms 
> > because I know how difficult it is to explain things like in text...
> >
> > You described 'Buddha' as "universal life force and wisdom". I think 
> > (I didn't go back to check) that I've seen you describe 'chi' as 
> > 'universal life force'. That would lead me to believe the difference 
> > between 'Buddha' and 'chi' might be the 'wisdom' part.
> >
> > Is that right? Or am I reading these defintions too literally?
> >
> > And if that's not right, what is the difference and relationship 
> > between your concepts of 'Buddha' and 'chi'?
> >
> > ...Bill!
> >
> > --- In [email protected] <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, 
> > 覺妙精明 <chan.jmjm@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Bill, Chi means energy in general, or life force. That's all chi
> > > means. In the Chinese culture, Fengshui, acupuncture, Taichi, etc. are
> > > all based on chi. Perhaps ask some China men in Thailand may give you
> > > more detailed examples. In short, most China may tell you that, without
> > > chi, the world is dead. jm
> > >
> > > On 1/13/2012 6:16 PM, Bill! wrote:
> > > >
> > > > JMJM,
> > > >
> > > > As always, thanks for your contribution.
> > > >
> > > > How does "Buddha in the general term is the "universal life force and
> > > > wisdom"" differ from your concept of 'chi' - or are the two just
> > > > different terms for the same thing?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks...Bill!
> > > >
> > > > --- In [email protected] 
> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com> 
> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > 覺妙精æËÅ"Ž <chan.jmjm@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Bill & Mel and All,
> > > > >
> > > > > All the interpretation so far are close. Let me say a bit more.
> > > > >
> > > > > Buddha in the general term is the "universal life force and wisdom".
> > > > > When someone is "in sync" to it, this person is honored with the 
> > title
> > > > > of Buddha, such as Guatama Buddha, Guanyin Buddha, etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > Because it is the "universal life force and wisdom", it is 
> > everywhere
> > > > > and in everything, because it manifested all.
> > > > >
> > > > > And this universal life force and wisdom possess certain
> > > > > characteristics. Or in ordinary language, it functions by 
> > following a
> > > > > certain set of laws. This set of principles is also called the 
> > Laws of
> > > > > Nature, the Nature of the Universe, or Buddha Nature, or Self 
> > Nature.
> > > > > Everything in the universe functions according to this set of
> > > > > principles. My teacher has identify seven of them. If you are
> > > > > interested, I can share with you.
> > > > >
> > > > > Therefore, meditate to enhance our chi is critical to be in sync 
> > with
> > > > > the universal life force and wisdom. Like a radio receiver, it 
> > requires
> > > > > power to be sensitive. As our energy enhances, then we can witness
> > > > > spiritual healing, karma transfer, the TriKaya, etc., phenomena 
> > in the
> > > > > spiritual domain. Then we could intuitively witness our own Buddha
> > > > > Nature and its manifestation in everyday life, without having to
> > > > rely on
> > > > > external teachings through unreliable words.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, we are able to "just get it" within ourselves.
> > > > > JM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 1/13/2012 2:02 AM, Bill! wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mel,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for your reply. You said a lot and I don't want to 
> > comment on
> > > > > > every little thing, but one thing you talked about is worth a few
> > > > words:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The word/name 'Buddha' is confusing to many because it is both the
> > > > > > name (title actually) given to Guatama Siddartha after he became
> > > > > > enlightened - or so the story goes. I think 'Buddha' is a 
> > title that
> > > > > > means 'one who has awakened'. This historical person is called
> > > > > > 'Buddha' or 'the Buddha' by many, but he was not the first or
> > > > > > certainly only Buddha.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 'Buddha' is also used as a shortened version of 'Buddha Nature' or
> > > > > > 'Buddha Mind'. You'll hear many people say things like 
> > 'everyone is a
> > > > > > Buddha', or 'everyone has a Buddha inside him'. What they 
> > should be
> > > > > > saying (IMO) is 'everyone has Buddha Nature' and it is just a 
> > matter
> > > > > > of realizing or becoming aware of Buddha Nature which you already
> > > > have.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mel or anyone else, let me know if you understand these terms in a
> > > > > > different way.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ...Bill!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In [email protected] 
> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > Mel <gunnar19632000@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello Bill and all
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > People refer to that Great All out there as 'god', and yet 
> > Taoists
> > > > > > have come up with TAO...and many involved with Zen in today's 
> > world
> > > > > > have referred to it as 'buddha'. I suppose it really depends from
> > > > > > which religious background the individual comes from. I have not
> > > > > > succeeded yet in going through the whole Bible(both Old and 
> > New, plus
> > > > > > the Apocrypha) but I do believe that Christians at least have
> > > > > > enquired(judging from what I had read so far in online scriptural
> > > > > > discussions) whether the One and Supreme Creator has hands, wings,
> > > > > > feet, etc....in other words, an actual, physical being or 
> > make. Being
> > > > > > so, the atheist camp would then say things such as,"If so, then
> > > > Yahweh
> > > > > > can't possibly be in more than one place at the same 
> > time"....and yet
> > > > > > all of the Big 3 Faiths teach their followers that the Holy Father
> > > > > > sees all, and knows all. This then brings the question 
> > of....how big
> > > > > > is God exactly? Huge to the point that he sees and knows all? 
> > Is this
> > > > > > about
> > > > > > > size? How is He exactly...everywhere?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Buddha. The world knows he was just a man. According to the 
> > late
> > > > Zen
> > > > > > teacher Deshimaru-sensei, there are sources to indicate that 
> > he died
> > > > > > from eating poisoned food, or pork. However, we do not 
> > worship(in the
> > > > > > religious sense) the man who lived long ago. I personally do 
> > not know
> > > > > > yet where the idea of 'buddha' being the same as 'god' or 
> > 'tao' being
> > > > > > all and one...and the same thing. I personally accept it(minus the
> > > > > > Yahwe part). Let me first point out however, that my only 
> > source for
> > > > > > the moment is Zen Mind Beginners Mind...and TaoTeChing(trans., 
> > John H
> > > > > > McDonald) to a very limited extent. With Buddha, there are no 
> > arms,
> > > > > > legs, eyes...and so forth...to mention, and yet the late Zen 
> > teacher
> > > > > > (Shunryu) Suzuki-sensei say that Buddha is everywhere. One may 
> > then
> > > > > > conclude...does Yahweh rest within Buddha's realm? If Yahweh 
> > has an
> > > > > > actual physical form, does He then exist within Buddha's 
> > embrace? I
> > > > > > personally do not know, but I can only speak of what I believe, or
> > > > > > > what my personal interpretation(s) is
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have 2 'buddha'-like statues in my room that I bow to 
> > before and
> > > > > > after zazen, or when I leave. However, this bowing is no more
> > > > > > different to me when I bow to my meal before I eat, and 
> > afterwards.
> > > > > > With this in mind, there is a parallel here with the Christian and
> > > > > > Jewish faiths(I'm lacking on info for the moment with Islam on 
> > this
> > > > > > one). But, these little 'buddhas' I own are not representative of
> > > > some
> > > > > > Being out there. They are worthy of respect because they represent
> > > > > > something much higher and worthy than my own dualistic
> > > > > > desires...especially greed and attachment
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Having said the above so far, is Buddha then made of air 
> > that that
> > > > > > travels around the planet and therefore sees and knows all, and
> > > > > > therefore everywhere? To me personally, Buddha has not got the
> > > > actual,
> > > > > > physical form I had described above...and yet Buddha is 
> > everywhere.
> > > > > > People new to Zen will not comprehend this easily, nor will it sit
> > > > > > easily with them if they understand, because there are no actual
> > > > > > descriptions, instructions, directions of faith or 
> > worship...and so on
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In Buddha's grace
> > > > > > > Mel
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > PS. I have mentioned the need for sincerity when it comes to
> > > > > > Zen...or Buddha if one prefers. What this means for the new 
> > seekers
> > > > > > is....how badly do you want Buddha? For my part as a Karate 
> > student,
> > > > > > the only way I can get through works such as...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - A Book of 5 Rings
> > > > > > > - Hagakure
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ...is through Zen/Buddha. No goal, no attainment...if one 
> > must die,
> > > > > > then one must die. It's all about living this moment, and the 
> > next,
> > > > > > and the next, and the next....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@>
> > > > > > > To: [email protected] 
> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com> 
> > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 12 January 2012 6:50 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] New to Group
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mel,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Just to get you to share a little more with us I'll respond 
> > to your
> > > > > > post below:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 'God' is supposed to be everywhere too, just like you said
> > > > Buddha was.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So, do you think they're both (God and Buddha)in the same place
> > > > > > (everywhere) together? Or do you think they are the same 
> > thing? Or
> > > > what?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ...Bill!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>




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