Yeh Iv'e read that stuff before and the people who originally spoke it 
certainly 'knew something.'
Be it no 'thing' at all.

--- In [email protected], Kristopher Grey <kris@...> wrote:
>
> On 1/27/2012 3:10 AM, Bill! wrote:
> >
> > Rewisk,
> >
> > The word that I would use to describe what I think you're referring to 
> > is just 'experience'. That's the word I use anyway.
> >
> > 'Experience' implies awareness but does not necessarily imply 
> > understanding.
> >
> > I continue to disagree with your assertion that 'understanding' is 
> > important, or even possible for that matter. I again will state that 
> > 'understanding' has nothing whatsoever to do with zen practice except 
> > to act as an encumbrance.
> >
> > This is my experience.
> >
> > ...Bill!
> >
> 
> "Don't know." (has nothing to do with the personally perceived lack of 
> "I don't know")
> 
> Experiences and experiencers, aspects arising in present awareness as 
> Experiencing....
> 
> I use all the words like Enlightenment, Awareness, Experiencing and such 
> as verbs. Describing an ongoing realization/relation rather than an 
> event/attainment.  I favor "Experiencing" or a slightly more redundant 
> (aka - pointing with two fingers) "Present Experiencing" lately as even 
> a simple word like Awareness has a lot of baggage for most people - and 
> is easily conceptualized in a a separate state of awareness, my 
> awareness, etc.
>




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