I appreciate Edgar's answer but diverge from it a little: There is no 'external' world. There is Just THIS! Just THIS! is a direct experience, and that is only possible if we are sentient. It is not the imperfection of our sentient-ness that creates illusion. It is are post-processing of our direct sensory experience that creates illusion, and that post-processing is done by our intellect.
...Bill! --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Hi Anthony, the sensory organs do NOT accurately depict the real external > world. Very far from it... > > That's why the world we think we live in is illusion.. > > Edgar > > > On Jun 19, 2012, at 5:24 PM, Anthony Wu wrote: > > > > > Like Edgar says, you try to understand the world through your sensory > > organs. But how do you know if they are correct? The same world is > > 'understood' by different sensory organs with different results. Sakyamuni > > says 'beware of your sensory organs'. > > > > Anthony > > > > From: ED <seacrofter001@...> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2012, 22:05 > > Subject: [Zen] Re: What Buddha Actually Did > > > > > > > > Bill, > > I like it. > > "(sentiency) sense: the faculty through which the external world is > > apprehended" > > --ED > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > I disagree. > > > > > > 'Sentient beings' are beings that have sensory organs. All the rest of > > > the qualities mentioned like 'mental entities such as perceptions, > > > beliefs, opinions, attitudes,desires, moods, values, prejudices, > > > convictions, assumptions,preconceptions, biases, habit patterns, > > > dispositions, sentiments, judgments, addictions,impulses, compulsions, > > > compunctions, obsessions, scruples, delusions, views, concepts, thoughts, > > > ideas, etc....' are illusions and are exactly what zen practice helps you > > > dissolve attachments to. > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
