Anthony, I'm happy you're happy.
Maybe if you buy/acquire a third or even fourth laptop you'll be happier still! ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Anthony Wu <wuasg@...> wrote: > > Bill, >  > Great. Now I have a second laptop, in addition to the one you promised. In > case you call the police, you said I needed 100 Baht to buy my freedom. > That money is part of your donation as well, as you never possessed it. >  > Anthony > > > ________________________________ > From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012, 16:23 > Subject: Re: [Zen] What Buddha Actually Did > > >  > Anthony, > > If you are practicing 'selflessly' then you would not be losing money. You > can't possess money unless you manifest a 'self', so how could you lose > something you never possessed in the first place? > > ...Bill! > > --- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu <wuasg@> wrote: > > > > Bill, > > à> > I think your teacher Mr Frontcorner's four vows are the same as with > > Tibetan Tantra. Once a guru was asked if you were able to practice selfless > > giving without losing money, he said, of course, the giving (dana) > > perfection should only be done in thought, not in deed. > > à> > Anthony > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@> > > To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012, 9:58 > > Subject: Re: [Zen] What Buddha Actually Did > > > > > > à> > Pudgala2, > > > > Mirroring what you have posted below I was once told by my teacher, a > > Japanese Zen Master, that the 4 Bodhisattva Vows could be thought of as: > > > > Sentient being [in my mind] are numberless - I vow to save them all, > > Desires [in my mind] are inexhaustible - I vow to put and end to them all, > > The dharmas [in my mind] are boundless, I vow to master them all, > > The Buddha Way [in my mind] is unsurpassable - I vow to attain it > > completely. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, "pudgala2" <pudgala2@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, > > > èæúÃ¥æââ¢Ã§Ã²Ã¾Ã¦ÃÅ"à ½ > > > ïüÃâ JMJMïüââ¬Â° > > > <chan.jmjm@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Pudgala2, > > > > > > > > According to the Diamond Sutra, ego is defined as the "notion of > > > self". > > > > Sentient beings include all living beings with or without thoughts, > > > > without or without form. > > > > > > > pudgala2: Anyone who has studied the Buddhist sutras know they start > > > with Thus have I heardââ¬"they're all hearsay. The sutras are > > > transcriptions > > > of an oral tradition written hundreds of years after the Buddha. They > > > where > > > then translated into other languages by scholars who had no reference > > > reality > > > to what the Buddha actually did. > > > > > > The Platform Sutra of the Sixth Patriarch is a transcription of a speech > > > by > > > an illiterate laborer. It is the only sutra that works for me. The > > > scholar(s) > > > who translated this transcription into English chose to use the obscure > > > word > > > sentient in the following way: > > > > > > We have now vowed to deliver an infinite number of sentient beings; but > > > what <http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/bb29.htm> > > > does that mean? It does not mean that I, Hui-neng is going to deliver > > > them. <http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/bb29.htm> > > > And who are these sentient beings, potential within our minds? They are > > > the <http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/bb29.htm> > > > delusive mind, the deceitful mind, the evil mind, and such like--all > > > these are <http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/bb29.htm> > > > sentient beings. Each of them has to be delivered by oneself by means of > > > his <http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/bb29.htm> > > > own Essence of Mind; only by his own deliverance, is it genuine. > > > <http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/bb29.htm> > > > > > > Now, what does it mean, "delivering oneself by one's own Essence of > > > Mind?' <http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/bb29.htm> > > > It means the deliverance of the ignorant, delusive, and the vexatious > > > beings <http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/bb29.htm> > > > that spring up within our own mind, by means of Right Views. With the > > > aid <http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/bb29.htm> > > > of Right Views and Prajna, the barriers thrown up by these delusive and > > > <http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/bb29.htm> > > > ignorant beings may be broken down; so that each of us will be in a > > > position <http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/bb29.htm> > > > to deliver himself by his own efforts. The false will be delivered by > > > truthfulness; <http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/bb29.htm> > > > the delusive by enlightenment; the ignorant by wisdom; and the > > > malevolent by <http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/bb29.htm> > > > benevolence; such is genuine deliverance. > > > <http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/bb29.htm> > > > > > > pudgala2: This is a Zen Forum and The Platform Sutra is Zenââ¬"nothing > > > more > > > needs to be saidââ¬"you either get it or you don't. > > > > > > > The article you quoted seems to be an incomplete personal realization > > > > based on modern day terms. It is valuable, yet may not be complete. > > > > This being said, however... > > > > > > > pudgala2: I am the author of my postings and a Zen partitioner and > > > I enjoy expressing my understanding of the BuddhaDharma. > > > > > > > Even Diamond Sutra asks us to be detached from words, or more properly > > > > quoted, be detached from the "notion of dharma". > > > > > > > pudgala2: My response to this comment will be a later posting. > > > > > > > This is the only way to liberate our heart, or as others may call it > > > our > > > > spirit. Such that we could witness the truth instead of studying > > > logic. > > > > _/\_ > > > > jm > > > > > > > The Four Noble Truths of the Buddha are the most logical expressions > > > of the way to end mental suffering that I have ever readââ¬"few put it > > > into practice. > > > > > > > On 6/18/2012 12:56 PM, pudgala2 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Twenty-five hundred years ago Siddhartha Gautama made the > > > astonishing > > > > > discovery > > > > > that the ego is a "virtual reality" conditioned in the brain by > > > > > unconsciously acquired > > > > > beliefs, attitudes, opinions, moods, etc.âââ¬"collectively > > > > > known > > > as > > > > > /sentient beings/. > > > > > Gautama penetrated and released these empty emotional cofactors of > > > his own > > > > > conditioned personality and realized Enlightenmentâââ¬"the end > > > > > of > > > mental > > > > > anguish. > > > > > > > > > > Buddha: /I teach one thing and one thing onlyâââ¬"the end of > > > > > /[egotistical] /suffering./ > > > > > > > > > > /Sentient being/ is the most misunderstood and misused concept in > > > > > Buddhism. It must > > > > > be thoroughly penetrated and understood or you will completely miss > > > > > the point of the > > > > > BuddhaDharma and the ending of mental anguish by the *release of > > > all* > > > > > /sentient beings/. > > > > > > > > > > /Sentient beings/ are mental entities such as perceptions, beliefs, > > > > > opinions, attitudes, > > > > > desires, moods, values, prejudices, convictions, assumptions, > > > > > preconceptions, biases, > > > > > habit patterns, dispositions, sentiments, judgments, addictions, > > > > > impulses, compulsions, > > > > > compunctions, obsessions, scruples, delusions, views, concepts, > > > > > thoughts, ideas, etc., > > > > > that are *emotionally identified with and encapsulated in an ego*. > > > > > They are mentally > > > > > felt to be valid and real to the ego. "I am what I feel/experience" > > > is > > > > > the cry of the egoâââ¬" > > > > > the artificial sense of self construction. > > > > > > > > > > The ego is a psychosomatic accretion unwittingly conditioned into > > > the > > > > > brain by the body > > > > > growing up the way it didâââ¬"a /fait accompli/. The > > > > > limitations > > > of this > > > > > crude creation generates > > > > > ever increasing suffering in the bewildered mind. > > > > > > > > > > Most minds, via their ingrown egos, get distracted and bogged down > > > in > > > > > traditions, > > > > > families, self complacency, careers, causes, religions, mental > > > > > illnesses, drugs, and other > > > > > acquired addictions, delusions, and illusions. A self selected few > > > > > come upon the /Truth > > > > > of Suffering/ and enter the path/process of the BuddhaDharma seeking > > > > > an end to their > > > > > egotistical suffering. > > > > > > > > > > Suffering is an alarm telling mind it is time to wake up, pay > > > > > attention, and return to > > > > > *Original Mind* by deconstructing the *Original Sin of Egotistical > > > > > Identification*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! 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