indeed edgar... and some folk never realise... merle
  
Joe,

Total nonsense that " ... there is no Zen without zazen"..

Zen is simply realization of the true nature of reality and reality is 
everywhere all the time, not just in zazen... 

Edgar




On Jul 1, 2012, at 1:30 AM, Joe wrote:

  
>Hey, I dunno, as we say in these 50 US-of-A States.
>
>I've been practicing since 1973, and earlier, if you count the time before I 
>poured myself into Hatha Yoga classes.  I've always been a nut.
>
>All I know is that there is no Zen without zazen.
>
>There are many ideas, notions, popular informal identifications of what zen 
>is, or may be (no, there is no doubt!, in the Popular mind), but... most of it 
>is fluff, undigested organic material.  It should be composted.
>
>The best is to align yourself with a teacher and a sangha.  That is what we 
>all do, who have some hard-won opening, or easy life afterwards. ;-) Zazen has 
>to be continued, no matter who, no matter what.  The many poisons arise 
>endlessly.  Zazen is a yoga for the body.  There is no "mind".  Mind is a 
>fiction created by delusion.  It's forgivable, but only to a point; but, 
>mostly, people who believe in mind are insufferable.
>
>It's never too soon to begin a practice.  Really, it takes a teacher and a 
>sangha.  ...Unless you are unique in the history of our old Planet.  Join a 
>sangha and sit zazen NOW.  Attend sesshin(s), as soon as possible.  Let's 
>compare notes afterwards!  I mean, only for fun, compare notes... .  Settle 
>for no less than 7-day sesshin(s).  It takes at least 3 days to settle-in.  
>After three days, things become sweet.
>
>We might see eye-to-eye, like nobody's business, afterward(s).  One eye open 
>to wisdom is momentous.  You'll see.  ;-)
>
>Pardon, if this seems obscure.  I hope it's clear as ice to many here.
>
>--Joe
>
>> Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> 
>>  thanks joe..zen is swift and zen "makes no bones"...zen "breaks bones"
>> swift insight
>>  is that not the zen way?
>
>

 

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