On 8/3/2012 5:15 PM, mike brown wrote:

It's not just the literature, but those who profess to understand far more than they really do. There's a world of difference between those who practice and those who merely know about Zen.

"Don't know" - is to me perhaps the essence of Zen teaching - and it permeates all I read and hear. Advaita says 'Neti, neti...' Neither are negations.


It's difficult, if not impossible, to find religious work that can actually make you burst out laughing (Not including the American Christian Right - but for all the wrong reasons).

I once experienced this so, now I see it was my own perceived lack. Granted, some 'flavors' are quite dry, or obscure, or worse - but is as much cultural as anything. Western texts in particular (since westerners accept the east as mysterious, not the west require an understanding in ways no taught in modern schools. They were never meant to be read on only a literal level. Most speak on three levels at once. The 'deeper' levels often making light of the other levels, to make an even more subtle point. All in plain sight, be we have largely lost the historical context and mythological background to unlock what is hidden in plain sight.



>As you say, these are just personal reactions, shared in con-verse-ations.

Re-act, now there's something to get some insight wisdom on!

>My (worthless) reaction to this lovely nun, is she wrote detailed tech manuals for imagined mechanisms - and delivered them as lengthy sermons. Instructing, as she was instructed. All very useful, so very very useful... This is this, that is that. Do this, don't do that. 1, 2, 3... A, B, C... I'm sure it all works for those interested in work(s), and serves those who are interested in service(s), but it's all so very damned religious! *L* .

Any more religious than Dogen's instructions on how to sit in zazen or cook in the temple? If I begin a martial art, I wouldn't fancy my chances on being pushed into the ring and told to just breathe and observe what happens. Sometimes we need training before we can let it go.

>It adds to my understanding of what is meant by Hinayana and Mahayana - but Ekayana resonates (and Vajrayana's more fun). No choice to make in this. I'm not a Buddhist - just a wanderer - who sometimes enjoys their company.

I find Mahayana far more religious than any Vipassana retreat I've been on.

Inside, a temple is home. Outside, a temple is a religious structure.

My academic background is in social work and law.

Human engineering then. Bad addiction, even if directed only to self-control.

I'm probably the laziest and irresponsible person you know.

I seriously doubt that, but if I were of such a mind I might take that as a compliment! ;)

KG

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