Mike, The pigs die, but the demons survive and move to other sentient beings. What then? Anthony
________________________________ From: mike brown <uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk> To: "Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com" <Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2012, 0:37 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen Anthony, Didn't Jesus cure someone by making the demons enter a bunch of (innocent) pigs who then threw themselves off a cliff? Shhh, don't tell PETA or they'll turn up on Judgement Day with tins of red paint and spoil the party. I think all the Abrahamic religions are the same on face value. Mike ________________________________ From: Anthony Wu <wu...@yahoo.com.sg> To: "Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com" <Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, 6 August 2012, 15:11 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen Mike, I am not knowledgable on Jesus, only knowing his word that his blood be sacrificed instead of killing animals. That sounds like a bodhisatva. Are you sure the quotes below were uttered by Jesus in reference to those 'laws' in the Old Testament? If so, there is no difference with Islam. I hope I am learning the right thing. Anthony ________________________________ From: mike brown <uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk> To: "Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com" <Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, 6 August 2012, 17:37 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Chan and zen Bill and Bill!, I hear this claim that Jesus came to change the Old Testament all the time. Doesn't seem to ring true at all. Below are Jesus' quotes from the New Testament: “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” — Matthew 5:18-19 “It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17) “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17) “Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law” (John7:19) > >And what are these laws from the Old Testament?: > >Blasphemy is Punishable by Death >One who blasphemes the name of the LORD shall be put to death; the whole >congregation shall stone the blasphemer. Aliens as well as citizens, when they >blaspheme the Name, shall be put to death. (NRSV) — Leviticus 24:16 >Cheaters Must Die >If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his >neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death. (NIV) — >Leviticus 20:10 >Dishonoring Your Mother or Father is Punishable by Death >Anyone who dishonors father or mother must be put to death. Such a person is >guilty of a capital offense. (NLT) — Leviticus 20:9 >People Who Work on Sunday Should be Killed >You have six days each week for your ordinary work, but the seventh day must >be a Sabbath day of complete rest, a holy day dedicated to the LORD. Anyone >who works on that day must be put to death. (NLT) — Exodus 35:2 >If a Woman is Not a Virgin When She Gets Married, She Has to Die >“If any man takes a wife, and goes in to her, and detests her, and charges her >with shameful conduct, and brings a bad name on her, and says, ‘I took this >woman, and when I came to her I found she was not a virgin,’ … and evidences >of virginity are not found for the young woman, then they shall bring out the >young woman to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall >stone her to death with stones … (NKJV) — Deuteronomy 22:13-14,20-21 >There’s Nothing Wrong With Slavery >Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them >you may buy slaves. (NIV) — Leviticus 25:44 >Gays Should be Put to Death >If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an >abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them. (NRSV) — >Leviticus 20:13 >Women Should Shut the Hell Up and Do as They’re Told >A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman >to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. (NIV) — Timothy >2:11-12 >
