Mike, You said it took you 60 minutes of silence to get rid of the thought of your girl friend. OK, you can indulge in 6 million minutes to try to rid your self of heroin. Remember Mark Twain's dog story. You are lucky if one of the hundred dogs bites you with rabies to liberate you. If not, there will be no liberation. Anthony
________________________________ From: mike brown <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, 19 August 2012, 18:14 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Binaural meditation I loved the line in Little Miss Sunshine where the granpa says that if you use heroin when you're young then you're a fool. But if you don't use it when you're in you 70s then you're an idiot. I think there's some truth in those words in that any substance per se is not good/bad, addictive/non-addictive etc. I know heroin use would have completely fucked me up if I'd used it in my 20s or 30s, but I imagine in my older years I'd be a lot wiser and have less trauma going on in my life to mess me up. Why not? Mike ________________________________ From: Merle Lester <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, 19 August 2012, 9:03 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Binaural meditation heroin.... it is highly addictive...so anything that is like that best to avoid..get high on life bill ..merle Anthony, I have never tried heroine. I did try cocaine once when I was about 25. It was so good that I knew I could never, ever use it again without being in serious jeopardy of addition. The couple friends I have that have tried heroine say it's indescribably wonderful. Another thing to stay away from. ...Bill! --- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu <wuasg@...> wrote: > > Mike, >  > Don' t do heroine. You will find it more addictive than your girl friend. >  > Anthony > > > ________________________________ > From: mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> > To: "mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com"; <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, 18 August 2012, 18:06 > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Binaural meditation > > >  > Merle, > > Whilst I do occasionally smoke a little weed, I do so for reasons other than > seeking enlightenment. I don't find this any different from someone else > enjoying a glass of wine or strong coffee. It also seems to enhance my > perceptions when listening to music or watching an interesting documentary > etc. There's no dependency on it whatsoever and I can go months and months > without smoking at all. I haven't taken anything stronger for at least 9 or > 10 years, and even then it was just recreational. I do still enjoy the odd VB > now and again with my barbied snaggers and chook. > > Mike > > > ________________________________ > From: Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> > To: "mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com"; <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, 18 August 2012, 4:22 > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Binaural meditation > > >  > > >  on your advice mike do not use any man made drugs.." let thy body heal thy > self" >  it all depends on "readiness to embrace" >  you can" lead the horse to water.".but you cannot enlighten..if ...... the > wolf > > >  > Each to his/her own, I guess, but I think one of the factors that makes the > impact of entering into samadhi/satori (and the like) such a profound > experience is that it comes from within us without any artificial aids. It's > like the difference between a mystical experience induced by drugs compared > to one that comes to us by 'grace'. After any such 'natural' supramundane > experience, there is a deepening of faith in the words/teachings of those who > have gone before us. Any artificially induced experience seems shallow in > comparison, IMO. > > Mike > > > > ________________________________ > From: Joe <desert_woodworker@...> > To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, 18 August 2012, 0:33 > Subject: [Zen] Re: Binaural meditation > > >  > Bill, > > Yes, "it's a 'maybe', for sure!" ;-) > > But I suspect for sure that there is something there. Otherwise, the CIA > would not have funded the research and development at the Monroe Institute. > > Despite this, or because of it, I feel rebuffed or repelled from approaching > closer. ;-) > > --Joe > > PS The idea that brain waves, and a person, benefit from synching to some > particular frequency is a theory not confirmed by Buddhism (where in the > Sutras do we find it?). What is the benefit? Does it have to do with > Awakening? It has no paper trail, nor oral-tradition trail. Its origins are > secret, in the CIA. Ouch. > > > William Rintala <brintala@> wrote: > > > > I stand corrected but I think that you get the gist of it. > > >but if Theta > > waves produced by the brain induce Deep Meditative states then maybe there > > is > > something there. >
