the australian aborigines respect nature we westerners do not..merle Kris,
I think I've mentioned it here before, but the Aborigines have invented a profoundly beautiful word from our language to express the Dreamtime: Everywhen. Mike ________________________________ From: Kristopher Grey <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, 29 August 2012, 5:20 Subject: Re: [Zen] what would the rainbow serpent say to being called new age fangle dangle? Maybe I should blame those buggers for dreamtime being all time. I'll never forget one, and we never said a word. Thanks for reminding me Merle. KG On 8/28/2012 9:24 PM, Merle Lester wrote: >right...tell that to the australian aborigines... merle > >Merle >www.wix.com/merlewiitpom/1 > > > >________________________________ > From: Edgar Owen <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Wednesday, 29 August 2012 10:35 AM >Subject: Re: [Zen] what would the rainbow serpent say to being called new age >fangle dangle? > > > >Merle, > > >Sure there are plenty of nature spirit religions. They are ALL delusions... > > >Edgar > > > > > > >On Aug 28, 2012, at 6:01 PM, Merle Lester wrote: > > >> >> >> >> >> right..edgar..maybe this zen is not for me...why are you saying crazy new >>age fantasy? >> >> >>...there are plenty of practises of a human kind that believe in nature and >>nature's spirits...communicating with nature. e.g australian aborigines >>.it is not new fangled dangled... >> merle. >>.worshipping and communicating with the sun this morning at 6:30am >> >> >> >>Merle, >> >>Reread paragraph 4 Merle. I said nothing of the sort... I was talking about incorrect facts, not the spiritual awe of reality. >> >>Do you understand the difference? You don't have to think the flower understands what you say to it to appreciate the flower. Zen is realizing and appreciating the TRUE nature of the flower, not some crazy New Age fantasy facts you project onto it. >> >>Edgar >> >>On Aug 28, 2012, at 8:47 AM, Merle Lester wrote: >> >>> thank you for your clarification edgar >>> >>> ..remind me never to see the poetry in the dancing daffodil or listen to the music that the leaves on the trees sing. >>> ..remind me i must be ever vigilant unless i fall from grace and am reduced to praise and awe and wonder at the beauty of mother nature especially her most glorious of all...her sexual delights in the form of flowers never again to listen to their glorious voices >>> >>> ..remind me that i must always remain ever scientific ever logical and alert to childish silly fantasy games and illusions.. >>> never again must i listen to the wind and the grasses when they speak. >>> ..goodness me and oh jesus christ ..what would the red skin indian say to your theories edgar? >>> >>> ...edgar save me from such silly ways >>> ..for life is not a bowl of cherries >>> it is hard real world made from solid rock..solid knowledge based on facts and figures >>> ..and if one dare to fall and fall to such fancies as projecting a human quality to a plant life and me daring to speak plant language..strike me dumb >>> so i may never speak again of such unheard things.. >>> >>> ... merle..the wolf carrying a bright yellow daffodil as a peace offering to those who know what sitting bull would have replied >>> >>> >>> Joe, >>> >>> Flowers do have 'senses' in the sense that they have receptors for and respond to light, touch, chemical signals and possibly sound. They have fairly complex internal electrical and chemical signaling systems.... >>> >>> What I doubt is Merle's contention that her plants listen to her and respond to what she says.... There is no evolutionary reason they should do so and no scientific evidence that they do.... >>> >>> I'd say Merle is projecting here which is a dangerous form of illusion and the antithesis of Zen.... >>> >>> There is a subtle Zen point here. It's fine to have personal myths like this so long as one realizes they are just fun fantasy, games and illusion and NOT reality. Illusion recognized as illusion is reality, illusion seen as reality is illusion.... >>> >>> One of the most dangerous illusions to Zen is the various 'New Age' wishful thinking that falsely projects goody goody saccharin fake sweetness on reality. It's like astrology, numerology, anti-scientific religious delusions and the various forms of 'spiritualism' that all attempt to project the delusions of mind onto reality. >>> >>> There is no realization so long as one is mired in these illusions... >>> >>> Edgar >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Aug 28, 2012, at 12:31 AM, Joe wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Glenn, >>>> >>>> With respect, I *doubt* these "instrumental revelations". >>>> >>>> I am a professional and an expert in Scientific Instrumentation, and I have nothing but doubts about these botanical "experiments" that are so often cited. I believe they are BS; and, if you have a while, I can show you exactly why. Well, it may not be easy to get together. >>>> >>>> But, keep a skeptical -- and an open -- mind, I suggest! >>>> >>>> And don't be gullible. >>>> >>>> As much as I love flowers, too. >>>> >>>> --Joe >>>> >>>>> "Glenn Rogers" <rgthiessen@...> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I saw a National Geographic program in which scientists hooked up ECG monitors to plant flowers. [snip] >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >
