Saved from what? In the final analysis aren't we all saved already. Whether we sit in meditation or not isn't our true nature pure and uncorruptable?
B Find what makes your heart sing…and do it! ________________________________ From: Bill! <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, October 13, 2012 3:00:37 AM Subject: [Zen] Re: nice news from Jim Joe, et al... Also I think if your suspicion is correct that "...he seeks a technology for universal salvation. And maybe it will involve technology..." then that validates my feeling that Edgar should encourage him to join some OTHER forum more technology-related, like those that I THINK Edgar frequents on science, physics,math or even scientifically-oriented forums on consciousness. If you get a chance and can do so without causing Jim to spin off into infinity like one half of an unmeasured electron pair without any idea of his spin direction, please ask him just what he believes a 'Buddha' or 'Bodhisattva' is SUPPOSED to do? Or SHOULD do BETTER? Perhaps you could phrase it something like: "If you (Jim) were a Bodhisattva and in front of you was a closed box containing a being, how could you cause that being to be either 'saved' or 'not saved' without lifting the lid?" ...Bill! --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote: > > Joe, > > I must admit your paraphrasing of Jim's response has softened my heart a >little. If those were really his motives then he did come to the right place, >but his dilemma was not shared by the group so he didn't get the support he >was >looking for. I still think though that he did not want to listen and only >wanted >to talk. > > I think he made the right decision in leaving the group. > > I think your email software made the right decision in routing his email to >your SPAM folder. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@> wrote: > > > > Group, > > > > Jim, who had been on-board the Group about a week, replied privately to my >private email about 24 hours ago. > > > > Both my email and his quick reply are about that old. His reply went to my >Spam folder, and I found it only this afternoon, here, about 18 hours after he >mailed it. > > > > I don't know why it went to "Spam." Just my karma, I guess. Or maybe not. > > > > I'm falling asleep though. You'd think an astronomer could stay awake at >night! It's been a long, good day. > > > > I'll only paraphrase and synopsize Jim's reply, since I have not asked his >permission to quote anything (and I won't go there). > > > > Well... he expresses dissatisfaction with the way Buddhas and Bodhisattvas >have saved people. He feels that something is really wrong when a Buddha, >etc., >can't just save everybody once and for all. So he seeks a new way to do just >that, since obviously the old way(s) have not worked / did not work. > > > > I think he seeks a technology for universal salvation. And maybe it will >involve technology, I'm not sure. > > > > I gather he felt that the Group had no faith in the possibility of this, > > and >he does not want to jeopardize or diminish our faith in what we DO feel is >possible, and what we have expressed as what we feel to be possible. So, he >has >cashed in his chips: he has left the group for *our sake*. > > > > That's the gist I get. I'll re-read his mail again after a sleep. > > > > Good night All, from the cooling desert. > > > > --Joe > > >
