Dear Mr.Phantom,
Phantom: Rebirth, karma, dharma, and Moksha were post-vedic add-on's.
Suresh: You have nicely argued and denied the existence of Rebirth,
Karma, dharma and Moksha. Whether it is add ons or original is not the
issue, whether there is a truth in it or not is important.
Please note in those days great saints or enlightened beings did not
like to claim their writing, because it is all come from same one
source, so what is so important to claim a name of a form.
Vedas are written by enlightened beings, if one is enlightened means
he himself is god, that great omni potent and ever present. So what
makes any difference to omni potent god to sign his scriptures, the
one who writes and the one who reads, and the one who denies the truth
of that writing are all god only.
Now the question is whether you only deny Rebirth, karma, dharma, and
Moksha in Rig veda, or you deny the existence of Omni potent, ever
present god?
If you strongly believe in science and logic, then you may not even
accept the existence of god. So our job is to show you god and not to
prove whether Rebirth, karma, dharma, and Moksha are in original Rig
veda or later add on due to dynamic forces of mental mutation.
Now what is god? The god as per basic definition is omnipotent and
ever present. If these capabilities i.e omnipotent and ever-present
is not there, then one cannot call it as god, isn't it?
Certainly the idols our temples does not fall under this category,
because they have definite shape, and they cannot be ever present,
because the stones or metal can be deteriorated over a period of time,
let it be 5000 years it doesn’t matter, because when you state god is
ever present, that means no one knows when this universe is born.
Are our idols of deities’ omnipotent? Cannot be, because no one ever
seen those stones come alive and show their power, there is no proof
except in stories which had no proof.
Is god is different from religion to religion, which means, is Allah,
Christ and shiva/narayana are different from each other?. Here we have
only taken 3 major religions, there are 1000s of religions in the
world and each one has their own supreme god. If gods of different
religion are different, then who is superior over others, then why
those gods themselves try to prove their supremacy without the aid of
human?
So god is not what has been depicted as gods so far.
As per science what exist? Matter and space isn’t it. Now which is
bigger? matter or space? Certainly space is bigger than matter that is
what enveloping everywhere.
And this space is ever present from that time universe is born or
universe ever exists and never can be said born so not dead.
Now will this space is omnipotent? Which means all powerful? If no
space, we cannot call this as universe, which means only matter, all
matter will come together and become one, but where does will it
exist? You need space right? There wouldn’t be any existence of matter
at all, because when matters unites there will be great explosion (we
know from science) and all become energy, again energy need space or
in other words energy is what space is.
What we see as empty space is not empty of anything, it is full of
energy. From this only all matters are coming from and going into.
>From nothingness things come out and things go into nothingness, and
nothingness is not empty of something, it is full of energy or it is
energy in its purest form, which is ever present, omnipotent and it is
only oneness and it is what is your consciousness, it is what people
call it soul, or call it super soul or call it god. And you are that.
Feel it in your silence when there is absence of thoughts. Don’t force
your mind to think, let it relax. Nothing to achieve, you are what you
are whether I accept it or not. Relax and feel yourself, you are the
god.
Best wishes
Suresh
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