Merle, You're the one who introduced the post making reference to 'productivity'. You're the one who needs to define it, not me.
...Bill! --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > >  the cult of the individual as supreme being began in the renaissance.. > > .now we see the cult of the individual rising to fanatical heights..we hero > worship, film  and television sports personalities, etc.. > > any "egg head" who makes it to the top of the food chain or has "one billion > u tube hits".... is hero worshipped > >  little is known of the good works of scientists, writers, poets, and others > of that ilk... > >   the masses of human beings are bombarded daily with foxtel news and > tabloids on trivia which becomes more real that reality. > > .hence most folk live in "shadowland"..... totally unaware of the true nature > of  living and as edgar puts it so beautifully: reality! > > AND billllllllllll while i am here...productivity.. > > .i ask the question again...productivity for what?.. > > . much of what is produced...as in terms of material goods is useless junk. > > .do we really need it or are we "forced fed" into wanting it to keep the > wheels of the capitalist machine in motion?.. > > the perpetual growth syndrome > > ..i direct you to watch the silent film..."metropolis..." > >  merle > > >  > Donna, > > Yes, welcome, and please don't be put off by the often combative tone of > posts here. It's all done in good will and the desire to improve our > realization, at least on my part... > > Best, > Edgar > co-moderator > > > > On Nov 18, 2012, at 8:22 PM, Bill! wrote: > >  > >Donna, > > > >This is the crux of zen practice, to dissolve your 'ego' which we usually > >refer to as 'self' - the illusory concept that YOU are have an individual > >self which is separate and apart from other things. > > > >Welcome to the Zen Forum. > > > >...Bill! > > > >--- In [email protected], "donna99004" <donna99004@> wrote: > >> > >> Gee guys, sometimes I let my ego get in the way of my Buddha nature. > >> > >> > >> --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote: > >> > > >> > Edgar, > >> > > >> > If by 'Socratic gadfly' you mean 'one who annoys by only answering > >> > selectively', then yes, that would be you. > >> > > >> > Mike > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ________________________________ > >> > From: Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> > >> > To: [email protected] > >> > Sent: Sunday, 18 November 2012, 12:29 > >> > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: blame game > >> > > >> > > >> > à> >> > Joe, > >> > > >> > You a Socratic gadfly? Come on Joe, that's the role I play here. You on > >> > the other hand represent conformity and acceptance of the Zen > >> > orthodoxy... > >> > > >> > Edgar > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Nov 17, 2012, at 10:34 PM, Joe wrote: > >> > > >> > à> >> > >Merle, > >> > > > >> > >Well, I used to be a Carpenter. > >> > > > >> > >Just a list of my thoughts while considering Bill!'s reply to you. Not > >> > >really well thought-through, but a list of what came up during brief > >> > >pondering. > >> > > > >> > >And maybe I posed some Socratic questions (another previous > >> > >profession). ;-) > >> > > > >> > >--Joe > >> > > > >> > >> Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> you have hit it on the nail joe.. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
