No Merle. Your problem is I listen (read in this case) too well. If you post something on this forum you should be ready for questions about it. You've been warned.
...Bill! --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > >  billllllllll...i have made it clear enough...you are not listening to > me...merle >  > Merle, > > You're the one who introduced the post making reference to 'productivity'. > You're the one who needs to define it, not me. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > àthe cult of the individual as supreme being began in the renaissance.. > > > > .now we see the cult of the individual rising to fanatical heights..we hero > > worship, film àand television sports personalities, etc.. > > > > any "egg head" who makes it to the top of the food chain or has "one > > billion u tube hits".... is hero worshipped > > > > àlittle is known of the good works of scientists, writers, poets, and > > others of that ilk... > > > > ààthe masses of human beings are bombarded daily with foxtel news and > > tabloids on trivia which becomes more real that reality. > > > > .hence most folk live in "shadowland"..... totally unaware of the true > > nature of àliving and as edgar puts it so beautifully: reality!à> > > > AND billllllllllll while i am here...productivity.. > > > > .i ask the question again...productivity for what?.. > > > > . much of what is produced...as in terms of material goods is useless junk. > > > > .do we really need it or are we "forced fed" into wanting it to keep the > > wheels of the capitalist machine in motion?.. > > > > the perpetual growth syndrome > > > > ..i direct you to watch the silent film..."metropolis..." > > > > àmerle > > > > > > à> > Donna, > > > > Yes, welcome, and please don't be put off by the often combative tone of > > posts here. It's all done in good will and the desire to improve our > > realization, at least on my part... > > > > Best, > > Edgar > > co-moderator > > > > > > > > On Nov 18, 2012, at 8:22 PM, Bill! wrote: > > > > à> > >Donna, > > > > > >This is the crux of zen practice, to dissolve your 'ego' which we usually > > >refer to as 'self' - the illusory concept that YOU are have an individual > > >self which is separate and apart from other things. > > > > > >Welcome to the Zen Forum. > > > > > >...Bill! > > > > > >--- In [email protected], "donna99004" <donna99004@> wrote: > > >> > > >> Gee guys, sometimes I let my ego get in the way of my Buddha nature. > > >> > > >> > > >> --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Edgar, > > >> > > > >> > If by 'Socratic gadfly' you mean 'one who annoys by only answering > > >> > selectively', then yes, that would be you. > > >> > > > >> > Mike > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > ________________________________ > > >> > From: Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> > > >> > To: [email protected] > > >> > Sent: Sunday, 18 November 2012, 12:29 > > >> > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: blame game > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Ãâà> > >> > Joe, > > >> > > > >> > You a Socratic gadfly? Come on Joe, that's the role I play here. You > > >> > on the other hand represent conformity and acceptance of the Zen > > >> > orthodoxy... > > >> > > > >> > Edgar > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > On Nov 17, 2012, at 10:34 PM, Joe wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Ãâà> > >> > >Merle, > > >> > > > > >> > >Well, I used to be a Carpenter. > > >> > > > > >> > >Just a list of my thoughts while considering Bill!'s reply to you. > > >> > >Not really well thought-through, but a list of what came up during > > >> > >brief pondering. > > >> > > > > >> > >And maybe I posed some Socratic questions (another previous > > >> > >profession). ;-) > > >> > > > > >> > >--Joe > > >> > > > > >> > >> Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > >> > >> > > >> > >> you have hit it on the nail joe.. > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
