Edgar, I have repeatedly stated that Buddha Nature is the direct, sensual experience of reality; and have occasionally followed that up with the caveat that the qualifiers 'direct', 'sensual' and even 'of reality' are really not necessary. Buddha Nature is indeed just experience; but thoughts are not experience. Thoughts are mental constructs and are therefore illusory.
Thanks for helping me clear this point up with you...Bill! --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Well Bill, even by your line of reasoning Buddha Nature has nothing to do > with "sensual" experience. It's just experience, the totality of ALL > experience, which is prior to any categorization into "sensual" or > non-sensual. > > As I explained a couple of days ago (and thought you had seen the light and > agreed) the primacy of experience also includes the experience you label as > "thought" so that too must be realized as an aspect of experience and thus a > part of Buddha Nature. > > Ah well, we Boddhisattvas don't always get our message through, but at least > we stick to our vows and try! > :-) > > Edgar > > > > On Nov 28, 2012, at 7:53 PM, Bill! wrote: > > > Edgar and Joe, > > > > I see no 'zen parable' in this discussion. > > > > The line of reasoning you described below is your intellect at work, not > > Buddha Nature. This might be a good illustration of how ALL intellectual > > activity creates illusions, but there is no comparison or reference at all > > to Buddha Nature. > > > > You're conclusive declaration that "Proper realization of the true nature > > of things depends on clear and well informed thought!" is poppycock. If by > > the phrase 'realization of the true nature of things' you mean realizing > > Buddha Nature then thought, well-informed or not, is not a factor at all. > > Buddha Nature is realized solely through sensual experience. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > Joe, > > > > > > I don't think vibrations would be a problem with my house since it's > > > constructed of the massive I bars used to construct skyscrapers welded > > > together. Heat from the roof might be but I tend to keep the house at > > > pretty much ambient air temperature anyway. > > > > > > > > > This BTW is a good Zen parable for you. What you imagine is real and true > > > DEPENDS entirely upon your unrecognized assumptions which MAY NOT be > > > true! > > > > > > Your assumption that my house was of the usual American ticky tacky > > > construction was not correct. Thus your deduction of a further aspect of > > > the 'true nature of things' was not correct.... > > > > > > Proper realization of the true nature of things depends on clear and well > > > informed thought! > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 28, 2012, at 1:45 AM, Joe wrote: > > > > > > > Edgar, > > > > > > > > You know, vibrations in and of the house will spoil any views with the > > > > telescope, unless you have the telescope mount isolated from the house > > > > structure upon its own concrete, masonry, or metal pier which runs to > > > > an independent foundation, not touching any of the house, nor house > > > > foundation. > > > > > > > > BTW, several of the formal namings I've made of asteroids I've > > > > discovered during searches for Earth-Approaching asteroids could be of > > > > interest to members of this Group: > > > > > > > > Haiku > > > > Samadhi > > > > Suiseki > > > > Wabi-Sabi > > > > > > > > (I leave off their permanent catalog numbers for convenience) > > > > > > > > I've named minor planets for lots of musicians, too, but none of these > > > > bear overtly on our topic. > > > > > > > > My comet discoveries are all automatically named for the discoverer by > > > > default, whether I like it or not. ;-) > > > > > > > > Full Moon should be quite close to Jupiter, maybe closest on about 28 > > > > Nov, 23:15 UTC, at moonrise time in NJ. Others around the world will > > > > see it when they see it! > > > > > > > > --Joe > > > > > > > > > > Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > BTW I have a 14" Meade telescope though viewing here is somewhat > > > > > > obstructed by all the trees around. I've thought of putting it on a > > > > > > platform on top of my house which would greatly improving viewing > > > > > > even with the addition of some heat distortion but haven't gotten > > > > > > around to it... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
