Hi Edgar, So when we see unenlightened beings, is that experience reality or illusion?
Similar question, when we see ourselves as unenlightened, is that reality or illusion? How do you tell which is what? How do you know which is what? Siska -----Original Message----- From: Edgar Owen <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 07:39:24 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Zen] Fw: peek a boo ... Hi Siska, Thanks for the cogent question.... All that exists is reality, so in that sense all that exists is Zen. However reality is a magician's trick where things are not as they appear. If we take the illusion of the trick as reality we are unenlightened, but if we take the exact same trick as the illusion it actually is we are enlightened. All beings, being necessarily part of reality, do have Buddha Nature since all things ARE Buddha Nature (tao, or what I call ontological energy). However it's a matter of the person REALIZING this or not, whether he/she realizes he/she is already enlightened and always has been. That comes only with seeing the true nature of things, that they are illusions which reveal reality, and precisely how this works.... When this is understood then reality can be directly experienced. Hope this clarifies it a little... Best, Edgar On Feb 20, 2013, at 12:42 AM, [email protected] wrote: > Edgar, > > If I remember correctly, you were the one who told me, when I first joined > this group to learn more about Zen, that all beings have Buddha nature, > already enlightened in the first place. > > Now you are saying there are unenlightened beings.... > > I don't get it.... > > Siska > > From: Edgar Owen <[email protected]> > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 12:10:28 -0500 > To: <[email protected]> > ReplyTo: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Zen] Fw: peek a boo ... > > > Siska, > > > Because they ruined the perfect naturally produced forms of the stones by > cementing them all together in a mindless unenlightened mish mash. Did you > see Merle's photo? > > Of course in the deepest sense everything is reality therefore everything is > Zen, but this artificial concoction is the reality of illusion, produced by > illusion, by unenlightened beings, and thus is Zen only when seen as NOT > being zen! > > Edgar > > > > On Feb 19, 2013, at 10:25 AM, [email protected] wrote: > >> >> Doesn't Zen include everything, including the so called act of dumb Chinese? >> Why is this one Zenless? >> >> Siska >> >> From: Edgar Owen <[email protected]> >> Sender: [email protected] >> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 09:49:00 -0500 >> To: <[email protected]> >> ReplyTo: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Zen] Fw: peek a boo ... >> >> >> Here is where Zenless dumb Chinese absolutely ruin the beautiful natural >> shapes of these stones by pasting them together in a hodge podge.... >> >> >> Edgar >> >> >> On Feb 14, 2013, at 6:04 PM, Merle Lester wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> <IMG_6116.jpg> >>> >>> IMG_6116 >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > >
