Suresh,
The reasoning that you put forth here as evidence of your concerns is natural,
and Human.
The reasoning addresses concerns that are, moreover, the concerns of one who is
not engaged in Zen practice.
When we practice, we have no such concerns, and when we eventually awaken
suddenly to our true nature, and we experience emptiness and no-mind, we have
no such concerns, nor others.
I will only say further, again, that the concerns you express are natural, and
that they are the concerns of someone who is not engaged in Zen practice.
I do not say that Zen practice is easy or palatable for everyone, immediately.
But for one to speak about Zen practice and its upshot with some sense, one
must engage in it, or must have engaged in it.
Of course, beginners, or postulants who have not yet begun to do Zen work, also
speak about it, but usually as a way to learn a few things, and not to
criticize or to attempt to destroy, for themselves and others (using the
customary and habitual conventional logic of the small, moving, illusory
"mind") the characteristics and sensation of no-mind, and the freedom and
intimacy one finds there through our practice.
To sum up: go ahead as you are. And if you are interested, look for the
opportunity to begin genuine, lineage-transmitted Zen practice, and, if you
find it, take it. Begin it. Then, continue it. That's "all" that should be
necessary. I hope you'll find that satisfactory!
(meanwhile, we can still discuss one subject at a time here).
With respectful regards,
--Joe
> SURESH JAGADEESAN <varamtha@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Joe,
>
> "Are you quoting from someone again, or does the flow of questioning
> that you write constitute the sequence of your own thoughts and
> concerns?"
>
> Those are my own words. I am cornered to answer like this. Who am I?
> "I" am vast consciousness like sky and contain all within me. So
> everything is mine or Nothing is mine.
>
> In simple terms, when I am child, did I know these words? Words are
> poured into me by others. Once I learn languages, then I read myself
> various books. In other words, I have collected so many words through
> various sources. Now this writing is like drawing those words stored
> from my memory data bank and supplying to you all. Now can I claim
> these are my words?
>
> Actually these words are not mine, it was borrowed from various
> sources. Actually I am doing only serving of those words which was
> borrowed earlier. So in truth I came empty handed as child and
> collected few words and give now. How can I say these words are mine?
> I own nothing.
>
> Since I have posted few times OSHO (Rajneesh) words, you have thought
> my posting is all from other sources. Initially my ego was hurt, then
> I have noticed that it is only ego which was hurt and not me.
>
> I accept you all other words.
>
> To contradict Bill, "Buddha Nature', then that is an experience - in
> fact that is experience"
>
> Buddha Nature is not an experience. A nature cannot be experience.
> Awareness without thoughts is not an experience. Hence it is called
> "self realization".
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