Suresh,

You wrote:
[Suresh]  Buddha Nature is not an experience. A nature cannot be experience.  
Awareness without thoughts is not an experience. Hence it is called "self 
realization".

I think our only difference here is a semantic one.  I agree with you that 
Buddha Nature is 'awareness without thoughts'.  That's EXACTLY what I call 
'experience'.  When thoughts enter the picture it's no longer just 
'experience', it's 'perception'.

I think when I use the word 'experience' you are thinking I'm meaning 
'perception'.  I am not.  I am meaning ONLY sensual experience - Just THIS!

...Bill!

--- In [email protected], SURESH JAGADEESAN <varamtha@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Joe,
> 
> "Are you quoting from someone again, or does the flow of questioning
> that you write constitute the sequence of your own thoughts and
> concerns?"
> 
> Those are my own words. I am cornered to answer like this. Who am I?
> "I" am vast consciousness like sky and contain all within me. So
> everything is mine or Nothing is mine.
> 
> In simple terms, when I am child, did I know these words? Words are
> poured into me by others. Once I learn languages, then I read myself
> various books. In other words, I have collected so many words through
> various sources. Now this writing is like drawing those words stored
> from my memory data bank and supplying to you all. Now can I claim
> these are my words?
> 
> Actually these words are not mine, it was borrowed from various
> sources. Actually I am doing only serving of those words which was
> borrowed earlier. So in truth I came empty handed as child and
> collected few words and give now. How can I say these words are mine?
> I own nothing.
> 
> Since I have posted few times OSHO (Rajneesh) words, you have thought
> my posting is all from other sources.  Initially my ego was hurt, then
> I have noticed that it is only ego which was hurt and not me.
> 
> I accept you all other words.
> 
> To contradict Bill, "Buddha Nature', then that is an experience - in
> fact that is experience"
> 
> Buddha Nature is not an experience. A nature cannot be experience.
> Awareness without thoughts is not an experience. Hence it is called
> "self realization".
> 
> Best regards
> Suresh
> 
> 
> -- 
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