Suresh,
I feel it's better to begin a new topic in the present forum than to carry
tidbits from elsewhere to here, no matter whose words are in play. In that
way, others here at this forum can also engage more completely. I'll leave
this to you to initiate, when an individual matter comes up for you that you'd
like to discuss.
Best,
--Joe.
> SURESH JAGADEESAN <varamtha@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Joe,
>
> Again below are conversation with other forum members. Please note
> these are 'my=Suresh' words and not of others.
>
> Q: "is there a particular poise from which a self-realized person
> participates in normal activities, fully involving his mind and body?"
>
> A: Zen Masters are this category.
>
> I have mentioned previously also, that what exist in the universe is
> god only or only one being, and hence self-realized or ignorant, there
> are no real difference. It is another drama.
>
> Do you know Himalaya was created due to continent shift? Previously
> there was either plain land or water, but due to imbalance under the
> earth, continents shifted towards each other and created Himalaya.
>
> Similarly when there is imbalance of dharma, a self-realized person is
> created. Hence Bhagavad gita statement was very much important. i.e.
> "Do your duty and don't expect results" . If this is followed, then
> there will be uniformity and balance in this world of humans. But this
> is not followed, so imbalance is created, so self-realized (a
> Himalaya) is required to stabilize this shift.
>
> In Buddha's time, there was lot of imbalance in Bharata desa, so
> Buddha was born and he wanted to create many Buddhas like him to
> stabilize so he created many monks. But please note even those who
> follow or those call themselves as Buddhist do not lead a life of
> monk. So by default all will not be monks.
>
> Hence for me Bhagavad gita is supreme wisdom/knowledge which clearly
> specifies how this universe functions. All born have some duties, let
> them follow what is destined to them sincerely, even that duty is to
> be cleaner, let them do that cleaning job. No one needs to aspire for
> enlightenment. If you are interested to know the truth of this
> universe, you will be automatically pulled towards it.
>
> The enlightenment or self-realization (guru) is another kind of
> profession like there are engineers, doctors, farmers etc., All need
> not go for it, and definitely it is not the ultimate goal, one human
> being should aim for it. You are `self' or awareness / consciousness
> or `god' already; you need not aim for it. Do your duties that
> destined to you.
>
> Just think a bubble of water want to realize its water nature, what it
> supposed to do? It is already water, only difference is air got
> trapped inside. If it consumes more air, then that bubble becomes big
> then the thin layer of water cannot contain that air anymore, so it
> will burst and water become water and air become air.
>
> Similarly those who aspire self-realization should get into more
> materialistic life than spiritual life, then only its pain will be
> more, so one day he will collapse due to the pain of his life and he
> will totally dislike materialistic life and become enlightened. (The
> imbalance creates mountains.)
>
> You know in one Rajinikanth movie it is shown that if you like smoke,
> smoke to your heart content, and then you will never touch smoke at
> all. This is the way.
>
> "I would prefer an integrated approach where body has its own unique
> role to contribute in achieving the goal of human life."
>
> The "I" will take care of it. As per Ramana Maharishi "I" is the name
> of the god.
>
> So don't worry about the world, don't worry how others should behave.
> Worry how I should behave.
>
> The worrying of world and others is the drama of ego or an illusion
> `self' created by the brain activity or thoughts.
>
> Bhagavad Gita and Ramana Maharishi's teachings are supreme wisdom,
> read them as a scientific book and try to understand. You will know
> everything.
>
> I need your persmission to publish all our conversation to forums, so
> that many will benefit.
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