Merle,

Yes, that's what I'm doing. 

But as you know, telling it like it is is true Zen. Coddling dependent 
psychologies is not Zen...

Edgar


On Mar 27, 2013, at 6:57 PM, Merle Lester wrote:

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> 
>  edgar,,,some folk are not confident... some folk need a "leg up"...some folk 
> need help..we are not all a "one man band"... 
> and folk needing assistance is not to be scoffed at... 
> after all did you not attend school to learn "stuff"..same as this...
>  many folk have no idea what zen is or have not even heard of buddha... or 
> jesus or any of the enlightened ones...
> they live in the shadows of the cave so to speak... 
> you need to be gentle, caring and compassionate... 
> leading them forward to that place we "those who are in the know" are at... 
> this easter let us be filled with compassion and love... merle
> 
>  
> Shane,
> 
> Take Joe's comments with a grain of salt. True Zen needs no teacher, no 
> 'sitting', no temple. These may help especially those who tend to not have 
> the personality to do things on their own,  but they are not essential. After 
> all Buddha himself had none of these. True Zen has nothing to do with any of 
> this. It is simply the realization of the true nature of what is always right 
> around us including ourselves...
> 
> Edgar
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> On Mar 27, 2013, at 11:58 AM, Joe wrote:
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>> Shane,
>> 
>> Good to meet you here.
>> 
>> "Who am I" is a famous method of practice. Whether we call it a koan or not 
>> is not too important.
>> 
>> Koans are usually cases or incidents from the doings of famous Ch'an or Zen 
>> masters. The student is asked to "bore into" the koan, and be changed by it, 
>> so as to become it, and to be able to demonstrate the spirit or "content" of 
>> the koan to the teacher, when asked to do so.
>> 
>> When working on "Who am I", I think one can sit down and just intensely 
>> desire to know the answer to this, without letting anything else seep in 
>> around the corners while we inquire. One need not repeat anything in the 
>> imagination or to the mind's ear. Just inquire intensely, while we relax 
>> *deeply*.
>> 
>> Another classic way to practice WITH this is instead as a "hua-tou", Chinese 
>> for "head of a word". By "head" is meant the very beginning, before it 
>> becomes a word. So, to turn "Who am I" into a hua-tou, one uses just the 
>> "Who", or, better, the first sound that the word "Who" begins with: "wh", 
>> which is like "h", but it sounds perhaps like "ha", or a choked-off syllable 
>> before the word can get said and be recognized as a word. This "wh" can fill 
>> your whole meditation, if one does not separate oneself from it. If you find 
>> you are separated, it's EASY to return immediately to "wh". In this way, one 
>> thought, or one mind-intention, can last for many minutes or longer.
>> 
>> Hua-tou and koan are just a couple ways of practice, though. There are many. 
>> Usually we stick with just one for some while: months, years, etc., and 
>> become intimate with it. The methods bring us closer to our original mind. 
>> Sometimes the original mind SUDDENLY manifests itself as everything else 
>> drops away. This is the famous "Awakening" of Zen. It is nothing special, 
>> but what a shake-up it causes! Some say it is just coming back to our true 
>> home. And I agree.
>> 
>> I hope you have a teacher and sangha to practice with, as well as practice 
>> at home. A teacher and sangha are essential to learn the methods correctly, 
>> and there is no alternative to this that really works and is safe. Some 
>> people mistakenly think that they can teach themselves. That doesn't work.
>> 
>> --Joe
>> 
>> > "shepherdspie1962" <shepherdspie1962@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > In general 'shepherds pies' are gender neutral, but in this case it is a 
>> > 'he'...and his name is not stephen...haha...thanks again for the 
>> > thoughtful replies...I will try to practice more and create concepts 
>> > less...BTW, someone mentioned koans...the priest of the zen group I went 
>> > to recently said he repeats the phrase "who am I" as a form of koan/mantra 
>> > while sitting...hmmm...not sure that really made sense to me as one could 
>> > probably just repeat an actual mantra...and not sure if "who am I" is 
>> > really a Koan either...but to each his own...i suppose the answer is 
>> > always more doing and less thinking...shane
>> >
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