Mike,
I'd still say that each approach is complete in itself: it took hundreds of
years and many generations to become so; and become so finely tuned. And I'd
still say that I see no reason to mix them.
That is, *in any one teaching occasion*. Like a retreat.
I doubt that Subhana in her teaching mixes them.
I think her "Zen" retreats are just Zen teachings, and ways. Actually, since
she teaches as a Diamond Sangha teacher, a lineage and way that I am intimately
familiar with, I am SURE that they are just Zen teachings.
And her Vipassana retreats are (probably!...) just that.
Our deceased Catholic Roshi, Pat Hawk acted like this, too: he NEVER mixed
practices or metaphors of his two ordained and transmitted traditions, when he
taught. Scrupulous. And clear.
--Joe
> uerusuboyo@... wrote:
>
> Bill!,<br/><br/>I think I'm starting to understand where our paths cross in
> all this (I hope!). Traditional Buddhism uses the sutras and teachings (most
> notably The Four Noble Truths and the Eight-Fold Path) to Liberation. Zen
> views these methods as potential hindrances to Awakening (being the finger
> and not the moon), so posits that sudden awakening is the best way (but not
> the only way) to realise Buddha's experience under the Bodhi tree.
> <br/><br/>I think this view is supported by many Zen masters as they often
> point out that *after* awakening practice is gradual and recommend reading of
> the sutras etc. to deepen the realisation. So I think we're both coming to
> the same conclusion about Buddha Nature, but from different directions. I
> must say that I have no problem coming from either direction as I practice
> both (Vipassana and Zen). I can fully understand why Subhana (the Roshi of
> previous discussion) teaches both traditions. They are complementary
> not antagonistic. Does this make sense?
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