bill!.is that so..is that all you can say?..ah ha..so define what spirituality means in your books... merle Merle,
There is no spirituality in zen. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > >  edgar..you hit it on the nail!..indeed it is the spiritual... > > so what word would you use edgar?...what's so scary about the word soul?... > > joe from what i can see is still in the mind set that was bestowed to him > through catholic theology.. > > i was going to say indoctrination..but then i know that would unleash a > torrent of "oh merle hates catholics"..yes right... as if... > > were not the catholics babbling on in latin to the masses( which to the > little people would be googly gook... >  > how the hell can that work is beyond me... > > all that babbling and all that rule driven religion poking their noses in the > bedrooms of folk and priests getting it off with little boys tut tut... > > the gay frocks the lot at the vatican wear.. etc...you know the drift! > > jesus did he say that was the way?.. > > on the other hand when one looks at the australian aborigines and their > spiritual connection to the land...one can certainly say ah yes there is > soul... > >  another favourite culture for me are the red skin indians...their spiritual > connection to the land.. > > if we all adopted a great awareness of our spiritual connection to mother > earth to her soul we would not be in the pickle we are now.. > > i.e global warming etc... > >  we have no respect for mother nature or our own  deep spiritual > connections to this earth our home... > > so am i suppose to now defend the word soul...? > > we all have soul... and it is through this soul we connect with invisible > threads to the greater soul which is the concept of god.. > > men will make religions to suit their own agendas... to meet their own > expectations.. > > however through meditation and yes joe the practise we can deepen our > awareness we can link to our soul.. > > it's not that hard..open your heart... > > there within it you will hear the quiet words of truth.. > > in everyman there is the quiet voice.. if you choose to listen... > >  so heaven and hell..mmm interesting again... > >  heaven and hell are in our own hearts and minds... > > it's not out there in some foggy misty place after death.. > > it sits firmly in our hearts.. > > waiting and watching and listening... > > meditate a little on that.. > > breath the breath that bring enlightenment and the understanding of the soul > ... > >  merle > >  > Merle and Joe, > > Like most such discussions this one hinges on how 'soul' is defined by each > of you. Without clarifying that it's a useless discussion.... > > I suspect Joe defines it as Catholics do as something that resides in the > body during life but persists after death going either to heaven or hell. If > so Joe is right. That kind of soul obviously doesn't exist. > > Hopefully Merle on the other hand is defining it as a spiritual aspect of her > present being sort of like another name for Zen mind. If so Merle is right. > That type of 'soul' does exist though I wouldn't use that word for it nor do > Buddhists in general. > > So there is a chance you are BOTH RIGHT. > > Well guys? > > Edgar > > > > > On Apr 10, 2013, at 11:23 PM, Merle Lester wrote: > >  > > > > > > > > > > joe mike and all...i don't believe in the soul i know i have soul..that's > >the difference! ..merle > > > > > > > >Joe, Merle, all, > > > >Yikes! I hope I haven't caused any confusion here? My only point has been to > >show that Zen, Buddhism, the teaching of Buddha (Dharma) does not *require* > >the belief in a soul. If I've been clumsy presenting that I apologise. > > > >Mike > > > >Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > From: Joe <desert_woodworker@...>; > >To: <[email protected]>; > >Subject: [Zen] Re: Fw: No god, no soul in Buddhism. ~ D.T. Suzuki | > >elephant journal > >Sent: Thu, Apr 11, 2013 1:34:49 AM > > > > > > > >See you, Merle. > > > >If not here, where? There's no heaven or hell, either. > > > >But Really!, seriously: keep your religion. Zen practice is not in conflict > >with it. Only Buddhism is. You do not need to become a Buddhist! Zen > >practice is available to ALL. I was taught Zen for 22 years by ...a > >Catholic Priest. And he was not a renegade, and was a good Irish > >Redemptorist. Don't run away when the time is right. > > > >--Joe > > > >PS Or shall we meet in Mexico City? (oops, that Olympics "line" is out of > >date) > > > >> Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > >> > >> well well well..i'm not giving up my soul to zen buddhism... > ><snip> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
