joe..hang on... re -read your last sentence..
where is your compassion?... we are all in stages of "enlightenment?" lest we 
forget.."love thy neighbour as thy self..."..

where is your self in regards to the greater self?..
you have made good strong observations here about the tool we know as 
rationality..

but again lest we forget..he who throws the first stone..let him he squeaky 
clean..
to be kind to those who are so called " less of a human being "... means we 
teach and teach and teach..and when we can teach no more
 we teach , we teach and we teach...
there is no end and no beginning to teaching..
the great lesson in life is to know that we are one and the same creature..

and the greater self is forever always within everyone's grasp..

merle

  
Merle,

Dunno about "placing store".  Some imbalanced folk become stuck with the way 
they are, and make it worse by trying to make themselves even better at being 
imbalanced.

Reason has been a good and benign tool for every one of us who has not used it 
against others or ourselves, except in certain just and justifiable wars, 
economic sanction punishment of nations, the slaughter of animals for food and 
skins, over-fishing the sea, and disposal of Methyl-Mercury in the ocean by 
Japan, a once-great Buddhist nation.

Reason makes no discoveries of our true nature, again, because it is not an 
Observer.

Wisdom, and True Compassion arise when the mad-mind stops and we dwell in our 
true nature.  The mad-mind does not stop while movements of reasoning are 
underway.  One may still talk about the heart, but while reasoning grinds its 
illusory gears there is never any Compassion, nor any Wisdom.  That is the way 
our animal operates.  Reason can do nothing about that, and is simply a runaway 
loco-motive in some people who have not learned what it is to be a Human Being. 
 We should all be kind to them by telling them to get the hell off our Planet.

--Joe

> Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote:
>
> joe..edgar,... and correct me if i am incorrect edgar places great store in 
> the rational mind it has obviously served him well through his journey in 
> life..has it not served us all well..however how he keeps hammering it as the 
> greatest of all tools for the zen experience is somewhat  alien to me..he 
> never ever speaks of the heart...merle
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationality


 

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