My parents raised 5 of us. One is a Lawyer and Judge, one is a Psychotherapist, 2 are Nurses and one is a drug addict who has had 3 children, all by different fathers and now lives on Welfare. Same parents, same parenting, completely different outcomes. My 3 one teaches at a midwestern university, one teaches disabled children and the other is a chef at a restaurant in New Orleans. Same parents, same parenting, different outcomes. Sign me Meh
________________________________ From: Merle Lester <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, May 6, 2013 6:52:03 PM Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: blame game question: raised any kids of your own? then you'd understand.. experience is the greatest teacher... merle What I am saying about Dahmer, Adolf and Osama is that we all had our own "karma". What we become as adults is only loosely tied to our parents' being good at it or not. At some point in your child's life they become their own person and make their own decisions. The experiences of a lifetime and our choices are what shape us as human beings. It is incorrect to assume that because someone has become a violent psychopath that his parents are to blame. Dahmer most likely had a mental condition unrelatd to how much his mother loved him. As to the other end of my proposal I chose ending the war with Japan and an application of Einstien's theoretical work. Merle's question left too much open to give a proper answer. "what is the greater task: raising the good child or figuring out relativity?" What do you mean by "greater task"? Are you asking about a degree of difficulty or are you asking about the quality of the end result? What do you mean by "raising a good child"? Is this the work involved in getting a child from birth to adult or is this the end result where the child is " good"? How do you define a "good child"? My mother taught me to do as I was told and to never question people in authority? I was a good boy but a very unhappy adult. My neighbor raised his sons to hunt and they are very good at it. They kill animals all of the time. They are good boys who treat people who don't hunt and love animals and all animals as unworthy. Finally figuring out relativity. Albert is best known for that but his other work with photovoltaics and energy-matter conversion have more conventional uses. And again I ask what is meant by greater task. Degree of difficulty or the quality of the end result. Taking an arguement to it's logical, often absurd extremes, is a common practice in testing the validity of a statement. ________________________________ From: Merle Lester <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, May 5, 2013 11:40:06 PM Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: blame game bill..thanks..i bet his early childhood was ratshit... merle Merle, Jeffery Dahmer was a serial killer, homosexual sadist and cannibal who plied his trade in Milwaukee, Wisconsin (USA) during the 1980s. He was arrested in 1981 and sent to prison where he was murdered in 1994. He kept his hair combed very neatly. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > > rubbish..they did not have good mothers or fathers... and that is the BIG >point! >  who the hell is dahmer? >  do some research and check  hitler and osama's childhood >  you are splitting hairs.. E=MC^2...  yea that and relativity.. > that is not the point > >  raising the good child...makes for a better world... hence no need for >einstein to design the atom bomb > > so if he wish to devote his life to science don't get married ruin other >people's lives including his children.. > not that smart he was..eh? > intelligent people when they do stupid things really do BIG  stupid things >that affect many people! > how zen is that? >  merle > >  > I'd like to weigh in here. The question is way too nebulous to answer and > is >fraught with many linguistic landmines. I am certain that Adolph and Osama >and >Jeffrey Dahmer's mothers all raised good children. Einstein's greatest >achievement wasn't his work on Relativity where he postulated that events >viewed >from different planes of reference appeared to obey different laws of >physics. >His greatest acheivement was his mathematical proof that matter and energy >were >the same. E=MC^2. He also did work on the photovoltaic effect and I think >that it was what one hime his Nobel Prize. He devoted his later life to >working on a Unified Field Theorem which I believe he never finished. So >which >is the greater task raising Jeffry Dahmer or ending the War with Japan? > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sun, May 5, 2013 7:53:37 PM > Subject: [Zen] Re: blame game > >  > Edgar, > > Merle asked a brilliant question in her post below. I'd like to hear your >answer. The question was: > > "...and the point to make here is: what is the greater task: raising the good >child or figuring out relativity?" > > What say you? > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > >  joe and edgar.. > > > > he was too busy inside his head..and some circles say he was with autism >spectrum.. > > > > leave the everyday work to wifey...who by the way was a scientist in her > > own >right till she met up with einstein.. > > > > as all wifey's they ended up carrying the baby, tending to baby, tending to >the everyday whist the smart hubby does his thingi... > > > > not so with madame curie > though... > > > > you have to be a strong woman to stand up to the male chauvinist pig..and >that was einstein. > > > >  and the point to make here is: what is the greater task: raising the > > good >child or figuring out relativity? > > > >  the point we can make here is einstein need not have married...made >misery for the wifey.. > > > > did he think before he leapt and began breeding? > > > > > > merle....  > >  > > > > > >  > > Edgar, > > > > Poor slob didn't or couldn't take care of himself. True statement. > > > > --Joe > > > > > Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > Merle, > > > > > > Joe said Einstein was a jerk because he didn't comb his hair! > > > > > > Is that Zen? > > > > > > > Edgar > > >
