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Has anyone ever watched the movie "Lost in Translation"?... Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad ________________________________ From: Suresh <[email protected]>; To: <[email protected]>; Subject: [Zen] Re: "if you meet the buddha kill the buddha" Sent: Mon, May 13, 2013 6:08:44 AM Dear Joe and all, I was reading again Mr.Charles mail in response to Mr.Joe on Dogen's words on aTrue Teacher. Mr.Charles clearly expresses his doubt on True teachers. So he wrote his conclusion that instead of going after teachers it is better to sit and empty the mind (which he believes as Zen) and go on to the routine life, and hence he arrives to the conclusion that "If you come across the Buddha - Kill him". In his context he exactly meant killing the teachers or ignoring the teachers. He could not believe present day teachers, he can only believe in Buddha and Bodhidharma and hence he believes in zen. So for his mail, I have correctly responded. But chris has misunderstood that I am not aware of this Koan "If you come across the Buddha - Kill him", so he tried to explain. Since Chris wrote as if I am ignorant of this koan, I have refuted strongly. I very well understand Mr.Joe and his time pass in this forum. And Mr.Joe has many fanfare behind in this forum, who always support Mr.joe. Coming back to Joe's reply to me, please note you yourself mentioned when you put down Dogen's words, i.e. "A true teacher does not put primary importance on words or intellectual understanding." As per Ramana Maharishi words are 4th generation of `self' or reality. And hence words directing to reality is very very less possibility. If words have power to transform then all book readers would have transformed. 'Words' is what maya or surface waves, never ever be quiet. I agree with Dogen's words that is "If you cannot find a true teacher, it is better not to practice" So it is true a true realized teacher is required to transform, not the words of the teacher through books. And hence Eckhart Tolle says words are sign post only, one need to look into that direction and not keep chewing the words. Words are no more than stepping stones. But in the forum we are attached to words, we are in competition to see how cleverly we present our words. We fight indirectly to display our knowledge, we are not even authentic to express out our true inner, since if we display it puts down our superiority feeling. I am a Buddha or a Zen practitioner, how can I be writing harshly, so you write modestly but still with intention to make others inferior or `others don't know, but I know'. Mr.Joe is suffering from this disease "I Know" but never ever aware that he is suffering from this disease. "I won't say what you are, and only you know. A good family man" – this is your problem. You say you won't say, but still describe. "A good family man" is illusion I am not bounded by this. It is dream. Wake up you zen folks. Best wishes Suresh --- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@...> wrote: > > Merle, Suresh, and Mothers, > > Well, I'm kind of patient. Dunno how kind. > > Merle, you are a dear. > > Suresh, ...I won't say what you are, and only you know. A good family man, I > gather! Kudos! > > If I teach, it's despite myself. I'm a better friend in person, and that has > nothing to do with "teaching". Teaching is a fiction of the keyboard: it's > all to do with wishing Good Will, as *I* practice these finger-exercises. > > Cheers!, All, > > --Joe (and a happy Mother's Day, in USA, this Sunday, all Day, to all > Mothers, and their families) > > > Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > >  "if you meet the buddha kill the buddha". > > > > don't you know what this means  suresh? > > > > joe is a kind and patient teacher > > > > pay some attention to what he says...using words!!!!!! >
