Merle and Suresh, Let's not start telling people they should leave the Zen forum. Suresh has a right to express himself here... Suresh is making a number of valid points...
Edgar On May 13, 2013, at 4:27 AM, Merle Lester wrote: > > > suresh...sounds like to me you are under a great deal of stress and lashing > out on others... > > why are you picking on joe? > > he is not preaching he is just suggesting.. > > there a great deal of words here and you not making very good sense..very un > zen > > what do you mean "wake up you zen folk"? > > if you do dislike this zen forum so much why not leave? > > personally i believe you are struggling yourself to come to grips with your > own buddha nature > > and thus projecting your frustrations on to the group > > perhaps some quiet meditation might do the trick help you to find your way > from darkness into light > > however if you don't "like the heat get out of the kitchen" > > take it easy > > merle > > > > Dear Joe and all, > > I was reading again Mr.Charles mail in response to Mr.Joe on Dogen's words on > aTrue Teacher. Mr.Charles clearly expresses his doubt on True teachers. So he > wrote his conclusion that instead of going after teachers it is better to sit > and empty the mind (which he believes as Zen) and go on to the routine life, > and hence he arrives to the conclusion that "If you come across the Buddha - > Kill him". In his context he exactly meant killing the teachers or ignoring > the teachers. He could not believe present day teachers, he can only believe > in Buddha and Bodhidharma and hence he believes in zen. > > So for his mail, I have correctly responded. But chris has misunderstood that > I am not aware of this Koan "If you come across the Buddha - Kill him", so he > tried to explain. > > Since Chris wrote as if I am ignorant of this koan, I have refuted strongly. > > I very well understand Mr.Joe and his time pass in this forum. And Mr.Joe has > many fanfare behind in this forum, who always support Mr.joe. > > Coming back to Joe's reply to me, please note you yourself mentioned when you > put down Dogen's words, i.e. "A true teacher does not put primary importance > on words or intellectual understanding." > > As per Ramana Maharishi words are 4th generation of `self' or reality. And > hence words directing to reality is very very less possibility. If words have > power to transform then all book readers would have transformed. 'Words' is > what maya or surface waves, never ever be quiet. > > I agree with Dogen's words that is "If you cannot find a true teacher, it is > better not to practice" > > So it is true a true realized teacher is required to transform, not the words > of the teacher through books. > > And hence Eckhart Tolle says words are sign post only, one need to look into > that direction and not keep chewing the words. Words are no more than > stepping stones. > > But in the forum we are attached to words, we are in competition to see how > cleverly we present our words. We fight indirectly to display our knowledge, > we are not even authentic to express out our true inner, since if we display > it puts down our superiority feeling. I am a Buddha or a Zen practitioner, > how can I be writing harshly, so you write modestly but still with intention > to make others inferior or `others don't know, but I know'. > > Mr.Joe is suffering from this disease "I Know" but never ever aware that he > is suffering from this disease. > > "I won't say what you are, and only you know. A good family man" – this is > your problem. You say you won't say, but still describe. "A good family man" > is illusion I am not bounded by this. It is dream. > > Wake up you zen folks. > > Best wishes > Suresh > > --- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@...> wrote: > > > > Merle, Suresh, and Mothers, > > > > Well, I'm kind of patient. Dunno how kind. > > > > Merle, you are a dear. > > > > Suresh, ...I won't say what you are, and only you know. A good family man, > > I gather! Kudos! > > > > If I teach, it's despite myself. I'm a better friend in person, and that > > has nothing to do with "teaching". Teaching is a fiction of the keyboard: > > it's all to do with wishing Good Will, as *I* practice these > > finger-exercises. > > > > Cheers!, All, > > > > --Joe (and a happy Mother's Day, in USA, this Sunday, all Day, to all > > Mothers, and their families) > > > > > Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > >  "if you meet the buddha kill the buddha". > > > > > > don't you know what this means  suresh? > > > > > > joe is a kind and patient teacher > > > > > > pay some attention to what he says...using words!!!!!! > > > > > > >
