I agree with Edgar here. I also agree with the sentiment and concerns expressed by Suresh.
________________________________ From: Edgar Owen <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, May 13, 2013 6:33:58 AM Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: "if you meet the buddha kill the buddha" Merle and Suresh, Let's not start telling people they should leave the Zen forum. Suresh has a right to express himself here... Suresh is making a number of valid points... Edgar On May 13, 2013, at 4:27 AM, Merle Lester wrote: > > > > > suresh...sounds like to me you are under a great deal of stress and lashing >out >on others... > > >why are you picking on joe? > > > he is not preaching he is just suggesting.. > > >there a great deal of words here and you not making very good sense..very un zen > > > what do you mean "wake up you zen folk"? > > > if you do dislike this zen forum so much why not leave? > > >personally i believe you are struggling yourself to come to grips with your >own >buddha nature > > > and thus projecting your frustrations on to the group > > > perhaps some quiet meditation might do the trick help you to find your way >from darkness into light > > > however if you don't "like the heat get out of the kitchen" > > > take it easy > > > merle > > > > > >Dear Joe and all, > >I was reading again Mr.Charles mail in response to Mr.Joe on Dogen's words on >aTrue Teacher. Mr.Charles clearly expresses his doubt on True teachers. So he >wrote his conclusion that instead of going after teachers it is better to sit >and empty the mind (which he believes as Zen) and go on to the routine life, >and >hence he arrives to the conclusion that "If you come across the Buddha - Kill >him". In his context he exactly meant killing the teachers or ignoring the >teachers. He could not believe present day teachers, he can only believe in >Buddha and Bodhidharma and hence he believes in zen. > > >So for his mail, I have correctly responded. But chris has misunderstood that >I >am not aware of this Koan "If you come across the Buddha - Kill him", so he >tried to explain. > >Since Chris wrote as if I am ignorant of this koan, I have refuted strongly. > >I very well understand Mr.Joe and his time pass in this forum. And Mr.Joe has >many fanfare behind in this forum, who always support Mr.joe. > >Coming back to Joe's reply to me, please note you yourself mentioned when you >put down Dogen's words, i.e. "A true teacher does not put primary importance >on >words or intellectual understanding." > >As per Ramana Maharishi words are 4th generation of `self' or reality. And >hence >words directing to reality is very very less possibility. If words have power >to >transform then all book readers would have transformed. 'Words' is what maya >or >surface waves, never ever be quiet. > > >I agree with Dogen's words that is "If you cannot find a true teacher, it is >better not to practice" > >So it is true a true realized teacher is required to transform, not the words >of >the teacher through books. > > >And hence Eckhart Tolle says words are sign post only, one need to look into >that direction and not keep chewing the words. Words are no more than stepping >stones. > >But in the forum we are attached to words, we are in competition to see how >cleverly we present our words. We fight indirectly to display our knowledge, >we >are not even authentic to express out our true inner, since if we display it >puts down our superiority feeling. I am a Buddha or a Zen practitioner, how >can >I be writing harshly, so you write modestly but still with intention to make >others inferior or `others don't know, but I know'. > > >Mr.Joe is suffering from this disease "I Know" but never ever aware that he is >suffering from this disease. > >"I won't say what you are, and only you know. A good family man" – this is >your >problem. You say you won't say, but still describe. "A good family man" is >illusion I am not bounded by this. It is dream. > >Wake up you zen folks. > >Best wishes >Suresh > >--- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@...> wrote: >> >> Merle, Suresh, and Mothers, >> >> Well, I'm kind of patient. Dunno how kind. >> >> Merle, you are a dear. >> >> Suresh, ...I won't say what you are, and only you know. A good family man, I >>gather! Kudos! >> >> If I teach, it's despite myself. I'm a better friend in person, and that has >>nothing to do with "teaching". Teaching is a fiction of the keyboard: it's >>all >>to do with wishing Good Will, as *I* practice these finger-exercises. >> >> Cheers!, All, >> >> --Joe (and a happy Mother's Day, in USA, this Sunday, all Day, to all >> Mothers, >>and their families) >> >> > Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: >> > >> >  "if you meet the buddha kill the buddha". >> > >> > don't you know what this means  suresh? >> > >> > joe is a kind and patient teacher >> > >> > pay some attention to what he says...using words!!!!!! >> > > > > > >
