Bonnie, Interesting post. Thanks!
Edgar On May 14, 2013, at 2:14 AM, Bonnie Calcagno wrote: > Bill, Bohm (I defer to him - he's so much better at thinking/I like his > thought which explains thinking) differentiates thought from thinking. > Thought is concerned with the past and the future. It is related to time. > Thinking is in the present. Thought is mostly collective. We engage in > thinking in the moment. When I read Bohm's books or watch his video I am > reading or watching thought. I think about his thought. Then my thinking > leads to my thought. There are assumptions in those thoughts and necessities > Bohm says that I can think and dialogue about, if as you say, I don't become > attached to my thought and identify with it and defend it. > > Bohm, I think, would say thought is the cause of our problems because it is > like a program. For instance, you plug in the thought - the War on Terror - > and it unfolds other thoughts, feelings, actions automatically. But thought > pretends to just be giving information even though it is really active. Bohm > would watch how thought does this. > > The part about inspiration was a revelation of my thinking. Now it's become a > thought. The thinking went on in the past and I still hang on to the thought > - still believe I need inspiration. So I'm attached to that thought. When I > think about that thought I think it's probably unfolded from fear that I > cannot do this myself. If I try at some point I'll quit. So part of the whole > of that thought is fear. Another part of that thought is action. I keep on > searching for inspiration. Just looking at all that helps me to dissociate > from it and it loses its power over me. Where do I get this lack of > self-confidence? I'm an introvert so I could probably spend a lot to time > thinking about such things. Or if I'm in a zen mood on a walk, for instance, > when a thought comes up, I can just label it thought and let it go. > > At some point I tie myself in knots with so many thoughts when I am thinking > zen is the way to go. And I just say to myself trying is trying - and feel > sympathy for the person who tried so hard to get A's all during her school > life and now comes across Bohm and Kristnamurti where the point is not to try > hard to get an A. > > At such times I think Krisnamurti is wrong and traditional zen is right - > meditation would be a help. > > But then - and this is a thought - my type is, at times, a butterfly flitting > from one thing to another and sometimes I just get sick of the whole thing > and revert to my ordinary ways. > > Maybe some day I'll try again to meditate. > > There is a contradiction in saying Thought causes problems, yet I like the > thought of Kristnamurti and Bohm. Is Kristnamurti and Bohm's thought an > automatic program? Probably if you don't think about it look at their > assumptions, necessities, look at the feeling it unfolds in you. But all that > is thought too. Like I say, maybe, at some point I'll try meditation. > Bonnie > > P.S. - I also don't have Bohm or Kristamurti's mind (although come to think > of it they say we all participate in universal mind). Anyway, in their > thought they don't trust thought but insight and what Bohm calls sensitivity. > Kristamurti seems more consistent in that he doesn't listen to anyone's > thought, but thinks things out for himself. But then he gives his thought to > others in talks. Seems an incoherence there. > >
