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I think calling JMJM a "Zen 'ho!" is highly inappropriate on this forum.. Mike Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad ________________________________ From: Bill! <billsm...@hhs1963.org>; To: <Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com>; Subject: Re: [Zen] Chan Sent: Sat, May 25, 2013 1:37:29 AM JMJM below wrote: > Drop our logic mind. Erase everything that we hold dearly. > > Open our heart and let it connect to our True Self. Now THAT'S what I'm talkin' about!!! Zen Ho! ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, 覺妙精明 （JMJM） <chan.jmjm@...> wrote: > > Hi Joe, > > Not sure I read you correctly... > > Chan is in everything. in every word and logic of yours and mine. Words > are dangerous, because they are subject to interpretations. > > Drop our logic mind. Erase everything that we hold dearly. > > Open our heart and let it connect to our True Self. > > A bow to you, > JM > > On 5/24/2013 3:21 PM, Joe wrote: > > > > JMJM, Donald, > > > > Well, you are "Absolutely" correct. > > > > And that is unfortunately the weakness in speaking as you do. > > > > The Absolute holds no sway when it is people in the relative plane who > > we are talking with, and who we, as Bodhisattvas, hope to help. > > > > "Originally enlightened" simply means "endowed will all Human > > faculties" (minus the Vexations). > > > > That goes with the territory, and is a tautology. We can just silently > > presuppose it, once we know something of Buddhadharma. As we do. > > > > People in the relative plane, who have not opened their Single Eye, > > know nothing of this. You might as well be speaking CHINESE! Like my > > Shifu! But, he had a great translator (several, at different times). > > And we all practiced together, so we could realize our huge life as > > ONE ...together. There is no other way. > > > > ...Unless you are merely ...an academic, err-r, "Scholar" (not one of > > the Family). > > > > This is serious: you wrote "originally" enlightened, and I pointed out > > that this makes no practical difference over "already enlightened". I > > also pointed out that the enlightenment of "people" is bogus, as you > > agree: it is enlightened *Behavior* which is of importance in our > > world of inter-being. > > > > There are no "people". ;-) > > > > Are you sure you are practicing Ch'an? It does not sound very > > authentic to me. Not at all! I think you incorporate more > > folk-religion than is healthy. Changes are coming. Don't be surprised, > > there. > > > > Have you ever met my Shifu, Master Sheng Yen? His life was dedicated > > to improving the state of understanding and practice of Ch'an Dharma > > and practce in China and Taiwan. > > > > His goal was to uproot, well, the bullshit. Or at least to "compost" > > it. He was honored by the President of Taiwan as "The Environmental > > Monk". But surely you know these facts. Sheng Yen's way was to enable > > us to return to the Earth of Golden Brocade (if not the Pure Land). > > That is his legacy. He succeeded. His Dharma Drum University in Taiwan > > is training the next hundred generations of Bodhisattvas. > > > > With infinite respect for both our Origins in Practice, > > > > and Nine Bows, > > > > (with Buddha and our Teachers and Ancestors in mind), > > > > and you too, Donald ShiXiong, > > > > --Joe > > > > > <chan.jmjm@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Joe, > > > > > > Thank you. I meant to write "originally enlightened", not "already > > > enlightened".. > > > > > > Thank you for pointed it. > > > JM > > > > >
