joe...why are you picking on me...how do you know i was not testing you?..i can see you get worked up into a sweat..when really your answer would have been more simple..you tell me i now know nothing about zen..so...how do you really know what i have ben looking for?...do you know for sure what you have been looking for?...i have to go out now...however joe i will continue this later...merle
Merle, See?, even the basic murmurings of the Zen sect, you are unaware of. Why does it all come as a surprise to you, after so long a time? The "Zen"" you've been looking into for decades rings pretty hollow. There is no mind. What you call mind is your SENSATION of illusions. When we are awake, there is no such stuff, and no such thing (as mind). I don't think you had been looking into Zen at all, until lately; but you have been mistakenly calling everything "Zen". It is not quite correct to do that. In fact, it is very far off. Others may say otherwise, but they are only strictly correct, and not compassionate: They may be speaking from the point of view of awakening, but nonetheless for some reason they are expressing or extending no compassion whatsoever. The compassionate utterance would be instead: "There is still a ways to go in your practice" (to get to, and live from, No-Mind, Zen-Mind). Only a Zen Teacher can tell you this authoritatively, though. Friends can only indicate it, and recommend seeing a teacher, no matter what it takes. The "No Mind" of Zen is discovered, uncovered, recovered, by practice with a Zen (Buddhist) Teacher and sangha. Other schools or other teachings can bring people from "scattered-mind" to "One Mind". But the "No-Mind" of Zen has not yet been dreamed of by those who stop at One Mind. There is a bit more of a way to practice in order to uncover No Mind. The miracle is that, it can be done! The transition from One Mind to No Mind is instant, sudden, like a flash of lightning. This is the "Sudden" of the "Sudden School", the Zen School. One builds gradually in practice to One Mind: but the further dropping to No Mind, Zen Mind, happens in an instant. And it may last for weeks or months or years. It's kept up by continuous practice. WHEN you have No Mind, Zen is revealed. Zen is Never, ever, revealed in any way, before. There is no Zen except in No-Mind. You heard it here first. And you're soon to forget it again. Never mind. --Joe > Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > what the hell do you mean by no mind?..no mind then you would be brain dead...
