Merle,

No, spiritual 'longings' are not Zen. They may set some people on the path but 
they are not Zen...

Edgar


On Jun 25, 2013, at 7:58 AM, Merle Lester wrote:

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>   no edgar...mike says we are unique because we have spiritual 
> longings..however is that zen?..merle
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> MIke,
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> No, no, no. The so called 'spiritual aspect of humans' is just a projection 
> by humans that feel incomplete and unloved of their notion of ideal parents 
> onto the sky in the hope they might somehow find the love and completeness 
> they feel they lack.
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> The so called 'spiritual aspect of humans' you so glorify is actually a 
> psychological aberration, a sickness.
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> Animals, at least those that are maltreated as babies, experience the EXACT 
> same longing for the better childhood they never had.
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> In case you weren't aware of it HUMANS ARE ANIMALS and all the basic feelings 
> and emotions of humans and other animals are variations of the same things...
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> Edgar
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> On Jun 25, 2013, at 7:07 AM, [email protected] wrote:
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>> Merle,
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>> How many times does it need pointing out that it's not being denied that 
>> humans commit terrible crimes?? The point being made is that it is possible 
>> for humans to follow a path that allows for 100% compassionate acts across 
>> the board. This is something other animals simply don't have. They may at 
>> some evolutionary time in the future, but not now. It's even ok to argue 
>> that animals don't require such things. But it is undeniable that humans at 
>> this stage of evolution are unique with this. Dogs wagging their tails 
>> waiting for a bone is *not* the same thing.
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>> Mike
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>> Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
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>> From: Merle Lester <[email protected]>; 
>> To: [email protected] <[email protected]>; 
>> Subject: [Zen] 25 Torture Methods 
>> Sent: Tue, Jun 25, 2013 9:03:13 AM 
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>> now tell me humans are on a higher plane ... check the link
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>>  saints are far and few between...
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>>  i point to Nelson Mandela  as one who has reached the pinnacle of humanness
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>>>  25 torture methods
>>> http://en.minghui.org/emh/articles/2004/9/10/52274.html
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